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GW Men's Hoops » Welcome Babatunde "Stretch" Akingbola! » 9/28/2023 2:04 pm

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Last I heard, no decision has been reached and I'm not even sure if all the paperwork had been filed by Auburn yet in support. But I haven't checked in about 2 weeks so I'll see what if anything I can find out. 

GW Men's Hoops » Smith Center Discussion + Renovations » 9/22/2023 3:58 pm

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Yes, this was started (actually promised by GW) when JC was hired. But GW put the thing on indefinite pause when COVID struck and then dragged their feet on a restart (above the athletic department). Kudos for CC for continuing to push and in my opinion not let GW do its usual "we will get to it one day" routine. This practice facility is 100% needed for two reasons ... first, so that GW can keep up with its fellow A-10 members and others as far as facilities and, second, so that GW has a dedicated practice space which has been a problem when the Smith Center is used for other events or HW is limited.

GW Men's Hoops » James Bishop IV » 9/22/2023 12:11 pm

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FYI ...

This hasn't been discussed much here but James Bishop has 1,518 career points at GW. He needs 731 points to break Chris Monroe's all-time scoring record. Last year he scored 691. If he stays healthy, James could break Chris Monroe's record but it won't be easy as James will roughly need to average a little over 1 point per game more than last year. At a minimum, I think James will end up a top 3 all-time scorer at GW.

GW Men's Hoops » 23-24 A10 Season Previews » 9/20/2023 3:45 pm

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Gwmayhem wrote:

Am trying to decide whether a prediction of 13th place out of 15 teams, with the possibility of a top 4 finish, is the work of a writer trying to cover practically all options, or if the 2023-24 A10 truly promises to be this crazy.

The A-10 promises to be this crazy. It's not only us but most rosters have a ton of new faces. So it is not only how well we mesh but it is a factor of how well other teams incorporate new talent and how quickly. I keep trying to tell you this - I don't know if I've seen a year where close to 50% of the A-10 personnel has turned over. I've spoken with 5 A-10 coaches in the last 2 months. They all say the same. Buckle up and hope CC leads us to the upside.

GW Men's Hoops » 23-24 A10 Season Previews » 9/20/2023 2:15 pm

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FROM THE COACH
“The biggest challenge for us will be the combination of new faces and inexperience, and yet I also think we do have a high level of talent in relation to our depth; we have more options.” 

Exactly. That's why on the downside we could be 13th and on the upside we could be top 4. A lot of unknowns and it all depends. Let the "expert" yapping stop and the games begin and we will see where we land.

GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/19/2023 2:49 pm

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Gwmayhem wrote:

Here is what The Dude wrote at the time...a thread he entitled Thoughts on a new GW era:

GW hired one of the hottest young Coaches in the country.

We all know building a program back up takes several years, your recruits have to come and develop and that takes minimum of a few  years. I'd hope we afford this Coach the minimum few years that will take, I'm not worried about "lack of buzz" or even the W-L, but progress and upward tilt level recruiting.   
JC is going to get it done. 

Long term the bigger concern is losing him, but we'll cross that road when we get there. Onward and upward GW  What say you all???

I guess I missed the part where he objected to bringing in a coach who had only spent one season at his previous school.


Moving right along, I do not equate neither the decision-making abilities nor the life circumstances of many 18-22 year olds (players) with that of adults (coaches).  Coaches are professionals who are older, many with families to help support, bills to pay, etc.  In a perfect world, we would never see any coach move on until he or she fulfills the terms of their contract.  However, in sports, we know this ship has sailed.  A coach who leaves for a greater opportunity, greater responsibility and/or more money, is and should be applauded.  It's called moving up in your profession and it's done in all professions.

This just couldn't be any more different than players who skip from one school to the next because they are not playing as much as they would like or because they are unhappy with the coaching staff.  And again, I do feel that these players should be allowed to transfer once, no reasons needed, and without sitting out a year.  And, am fine with a second transfer if the player has graduated or the coaching staff has moved on.  Again, no questions asked.  But to allow this an unlimited amount of times?  That would just be bad for the player in the long run.
 

 This where danjsport and othe

GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/19/2023 1:03 pm

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The Dude wrote:

The funny thing about this, I Don't recall a single objection here that we hired Jamion Christian who jumped from Siena to GW just 1 year after bolting Mt St Marys for Siena.

Except from me franky, and when Caputo first emerged as a candidate that he stayed with JL for nearly 20 years was a big selling point in my view.

Again, last year an assistant bolted almost immediately after coming here and got a wide round of well wishes

If the Coaches can leave year to year why should the players not be able to?

I'm a fan of loyalty and continuity and seeing things through. Yet, seems if the Coaches can bolt year to year the players should too

Stop it. You said nothing of the sort when JC was hired. 

GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/19/2023 8:40 am

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GW0509 wrote:

danjsport wrote:

So what you’re saying is, for our non-revenue sports, these student athletes don’t get a free education, but some portion of a free education, and that is more than enough to agree to a restriction on when they can transfer?

I am by no means an NCAA compliance expert but if you are not receiving any athletics-related aid, you are free to transfer without sitting out and it doesn't count as your one "free" transfer. (FourYearGuide.pdf (ncaa.org) pgs 13-14).  Once you get partial or full aid, then you only have your one "free" undergraduate transfer and must sit out a year for transferring a second time.  That is, unless your school drops your sport (like Men's Rowing), at which point you can also transfer w/o using your "free" undergraduate transfer.  

 

 I believe this is correct.

GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/18/2023 2:47 pm

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danjsport wrote:

GWRising wrote:

danjsport wrote:

GWrising- just because your notion matches up with the "fundamental compact" of a scholarship, does not mean it is not your notion. Nor does it mean it has to be the only notion. The notion is outdated. I agree that there is "consideration." It is just not negotiated consideration, and the players have no choice but to join the system, if they would like to play (whether it be for the education, the opportunity to play pro ball, or some combination). The system is rigged to force them to make money for others, while they get "compensated," these are NOT negotiated contracts. Take it or leave it is all they get.

What happens to the other sports when college sports implodes. I'm not sure. But I'm sure that a bunch of folks making money off the backs of two sports isn't the way it should happen. It's amazing how college sports is the time when you believe socialism should happen (so long as the admins can make money).

I agree- there will be lost scholarships. That's how the world works. If a university has to actually pay its labor force for the money it is bringing in, it will have to make decisions about who it can pay and who it can't. Maybe they could just offer Caputo a law degree instead of money. After all, it's great compensation! They could even give him a tutor!

Lastly, the fact that college education has been bloated and pushed out middle class people is a completely separate conversation. I agree (it's also why it's not really fair to say these kids are getting an 80k a year education). 


 

You seem to put very little value on receiving a college education. The idea that someone is "forced" to play for a free college education is mind-boggling given the differences in future earnings for those with degrees versus those without. 99% of these college athletes even in the marquee sports will never make enough money in their sport to not have to rely on their degree for a job. Yes, we are "forcing"

GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/18/2023 12:14 pm

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danjsport wrote:

GWrising- just because your notion matches up with the "fundamental compact" of a scholarship, does not mean it is not your notion. Nor does it mean it has to be the only notion. The notion is outdated. I agree that there is "consideration." It is just not negotiated consideration, and the players have no choice but to join the system, if they would like to play (whether it be for the education, the opportunity to play pro ball, or some combination). The system is rigged to force them to make money for others, while they get "compensated," these are NOT negotiated contracts. Take it or leave it is all they get.

What happens to the other sports when college sports implodes. I'm not sure. But I'm sure that a bunch of folks making money off the backs of two sports isn't the way it should happen. It's amazing how college sports is the time when you believe socialism should happen (so long as the admins can make money).

I agree- there will be lost scholarships. That's how the world works. If a university has to actually pay its labor force for the money it is bringing in, it will have to make decisions about who it can pay and who it can't. Maybe they could just offer Caputo a law degree instead of money. After all, it's great compensation! They could even give him a tutor!

Lastly, the fact that college education has been bloated and pushed out middle class people is a completely separate conversation. I agree (it's also why it's not really fair to say these kids are getting an 80k a year education). 


 

You seem to put very little value on receiving a college education. The idea that someone is "forced" to play for a free college education is mind-boggling given the differences in future earnings for those with degrees versus those without. 99% of these college athletes even in the marquee sports will never make enough money in their sport to not have to rely on their degree for a job. Yes, we are "forcing" people to get an education that

GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/15/2023 12:25 pm

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danjsport wrote:

GWRising wrote:

danjsport wrote:

Different idea—if a player wants to transfer, let them. Don’t hinder where they can go, or why. Don’t make them sit out. Let them go. If they leave because of money, so be it. That’s capitalism. Surely we have not made coaches sit a year between jobs for more money or prestige. If they leave because their parents are ill, so be it. If they leave just because they feel like it, so be it. Wanna stop it? Sign them to contracts that actually monetarily compensate them for their time and efforts. As long as each school is providing the same “compensation,” why shouldn’t the player get to choose where they go?

Despite the fact that this would ruin collegiate sports, is counter to the notion of student-athlete and we all know that each school is not able to provide the same "compensation", I'll play. Under your scenario since it's unlimited freedom and compensation for players like the pros, would coaches be allowed to cut players who don't perform like the pros? And if so can they do this midseason or at any point?

Seems to me if you want this to be like the pros then let's make it like the pros. 

Let's start with the fact that it is "counter to the notion of student-athlete." I disagree. "College athletes" are the only undergraduate students that have restrictions placed on their ability to transfer. A research assistant in a lab can transfer without sitting out a year because the research is more interesting (or they'll get compensated better) at another school. If we really want to treat them as students--rather than pawns in a game to make the viewing experience (and revenue experience) better for others, we'd allow them to transfer for any reason they choose, to attend whatever school they choose, and to continue to act in a manner that allows them to pursue their passions. Your version of "student athlete" focuses on the fact that they are there to serve the "school" in a role, in exch

GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/15/2023 9:08 am

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danjsport wrote:

Different idea—if a player wants to transfer, let them. Don’t hinder where they can go, or why. Don’t make them sit out. Let them go. If they leave because of money, so be it. That’s capitalism. Surely we have not made coaches sit a year between jobs for more money or prestige. If they leave because their parents are ill, so be it. If they leave just because they feel like it, so be it. Wanna stop it? Sign them to contracts that actually monetarily compensate them for their time and efforts. As long as each school is providing the same “compensation,” why shouldn’t the player get to choose where they go?

Despite the fact that this would ruin collegiate sports, is counter to the notion of student-athlete and we all know that each school is not able to provide the same "compensation", I'll play. Under your scenario since it's unlimited freedom and compensation for players like the pros, would coaches be allowed to cut players who don't perform like the pros? And if so can they do this midseason or at any point?

Seems to me if you want this to be like the pros then let's make it like the pros. 

GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/14/2023 3:30 pm

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BM wrote:

I think a sit-free transfer in case of sanctions against a school would also make a lot of sense.  Rare, but needed if they're going to stick to a black and white rule.

Reasonable exception unless you were part or all of the reason for the sanctions. That said, I don't even know what would constitute improper benefits anymore in the era of NIL.

GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/14/2023 11:17 am

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Gwmayhem wrote:

Credit Rob Dauster with this proposed solution.

First transfer....everyone gets one without sitting out a year

Graduated college with eligibility left?  gets to transfer a second time without sitting out a year

Head coach got fired?  gets to transfer a second time without sitting out a year

All other second transfers?  must sit out a year.

The NCAA should get out of the waiver business once and for all.
 

I believe this is nothing new. This is essentially where the NABC and D1 coaches are at. No discretion ... objective facts only. Take the NCAA out of the equation.

I might go one step farther and so would some of the LM and MM coaches I know. I might make the first transfer sit a year. This would largely prevent NIL poaching and make the discretionary first year transfer a thoughtful one. This was the old rule years ago. This would enable a student-athlete to get the automatic grad transfer year on the back-end provided they made proper progress towards graduation. The lone exception to this would be if the coach departs.

The theory would be to choose a school wisely because you never know how basketball is going to work. In the case of the coach leaving that would not be the player's fault. If we are in the education business then we need to stop emulating pro sports. If you want to go pro, go pro. Otherwise, become a student-athlete with emphasis on the student not athlete.
 

GW Men's Hoops » 23-24 A10 Season Previews » 9/13/2023 11:19 am

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Gwmayhem wrote:

Of course these so-called experts can not be expected to know what CC knows, but they can be expected to know a few things:

1a) Benny had a strong enough game to earn a scholarship to Oklahoma.  Same for Stretch at Auburn.  Same for Darren at Virginia Tech.  Same for Garrett planning on playing at Princeton.

1b) Zamoku played for a professional team at age 16.  Jacoi started at IMG Academy.  Trey and Christian were both considered strong recruits.

While recruiting mistakes can and do happen out of high school, this appears to be a tremendous number of players to be wrong about if we are truly bringing in guys who are going to lead us to a 9 win season.

Second, Darren, Benny, and Garrett were all injured collegians.  This as much as anything explains why they played so little, if at all, at their last stops.    Each is healthy now.  Is an expert like Bart Torvik really expected not to know any of this? 

I know there are a lot of teams and players to know but it seems to me that if you're going to put your name on publicly shared predictions, you might as well make every attempt to get things right.  If even a small amount of research had been done, there's just no way that anyone in this business could think that we're looking at a 3-15 conference team/9 overall win team.
 

There are certainly plenty of reasons to be optimistic about this group but again it's like a portfolio of two blue chip stocks and a bunch of stocks that are forecasted to do well but have no earnings presently. Plenty of guys earn P5 scholarships and either don't play or aren't able to play. That's one of the reasons we have about a third of the returning scholarships in the transfer portal every year. There is nothing to research because there is no information. There are 360 D1 teams with probably a third to half of their rosters with new players. No way there is time to get that in-depth with each team. So unless you have top 100 recruits, a lot of bon

GW Men's Hoops » 23-24 A10 Season Previews » 9/12/2023 12:15 pm

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Gwmayhem, if these transfers had strong track records of college performance they wouldn't be at GW and they would've commanded way more NIL money than GW could afford to pay. CC is betting much like Max that they have higher ceilings than their college track records would suggest. But these analysts don't know what CC knows nor can they be expected to. 

That said, until the bright lights come on do we really know? GW and the college basketball world is littered with kids who someone thought were this or that and did not come close. I say let these kids develop and then see what we have. I put no more credence in someone who says we are first versus someone who says we are last. A ton of unknowns at this point. Undoubtedly some will be better than expected and some worse. That's just the way this works.

GW Men's Hoops » 23-24 A10 Season Previews » 9/11/2023 3:51 pm

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While I personally think most of the "experts" aren't really experts and have underestimated GW, I do get it. Right now, other than Bishop and Edwards who can you count on? I believe we have a number of guys who will step-up but if you aren't as familiar with GW what would give you reason to think that? There is really very little college history to judge most of the players off of. 

Plus, I think it's better to be underestimated right now with a largely new team. Let people find out the hard way that we are better than expected. All the more enjoyable.

I don't think anyone is getting too worked up over these predictions at GW. I think they are focused on getting better as they should be.

Recruits » Recruit: Ty Bevins, Guard, 2024 - Committed to GW!! » 9/08/2023 9:55 am

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Good news coming this afternoon. Florida, I've seen him play some but not a ton. I like him. Can score the ball and decent defender. Good size for a Guard. Only question is competition he faced in HS but I think he answered that in AAU.

Recruits » Recruit: Ty Bevins, Guard, 2024 - Committed to GW!! » 9/07/2023 5:31 pm

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Got my ear to the ground and I think we will get good news on Friday but not 100% sure yet. Working my sources.

GW Men's Hoops » 23-24 A10 Season Previews » 9/07/2023 9:13 am

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I love it when idiots talk... 

"relying on freshmen depth" - last year we had no depth ... I mean literally no depth. So freshmen depth can only be good right?
"they went 4-0 in OT games" - why do they think we were in OT games ... lack of depth. Also, how many games did we run out of gas and lose last year because we lacked depth?
'who will replace Ricky's rebounding?" apparently they looked and saw Lindo was leading rebounder and he's gone. What they don't realize it's not just Ricky's rebounding that was lost - Adams rebounded well for a guard and Dean gave us about 6 a game. That's 10 between them or more than Ricky provided. Rebounding will be key but not just because Ricky is gone.
"think defense will be just s bad or worse than last year" - with an almost entirely new roster how would you know?

The problem with basketball is that anyone can run a podcast and not know shit. I'll differ with FQ a bit, I don't think they are sleeping on us. They just don't know anything.
 

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