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12/04/2021 8:29 pm  #81


Re: GW vs Charlotte Game Thread

I wonder what the mood of the locker room is right now? 

I bring that up because as I mentioned last week Memphis is going through similar struggles as us (although with much higher expectations coming in) and Penny is basically admitting his locker room is causing his on court issues. I guess if you wanted to be fair, some of this can be blamed on Penny for assembling the pieces of the locker room, in the same way JC decided to bring in all the transfer he did.

I will say we’d never hear JC air things out like this.

https://theathletic.com/2997670/2021/12/04/penny-hardaway-sounds-off-on-memphis-veterans-weve-got-so-much-negativity-in-our-locker-room/.  

As the once-promising season has quickly spiraled downward, Hardaway has gone from confused to frustrated to downright pissed off. The focus of his ire is not his freshmen but rather the older players who, in Hardaway’s view, have been selfish, unwelcoming and destructive to the bottom line. “We’ve got so much negativity in our locker room with veterans being jealous,” Hardaway told The Athletic during a telephone interview after Saturday’s loss. “Everybody’s trying to get to the NBA off the ranking we had, but nobody is willing to sacrifice minutes, touches, anything. It’s been miserable. You can imagine what a 17-year-old is thinking as he’s trying to figure it out.”

Hardaway declined to name names — “I don’t want to do that. I don’t have time to deal with angry parents,” he said — but the three upperclassmen who had been in the starting lineup with Bates and Duren were 6-5 junior guard Lester Quinones, 6-7 redshirt junior forward Landers Nolley and 6-9 senior forward DeAndre Williams. Quinones and Nolley combined to shoot 1 of 5 with four turnovers Saturday, while Williams had two rebounds in 23 minutes to go along with 13 points. Duren was limited to two points and four rebounds in 21 minutes because of foul trouble.

Hardaway said he intended to shake up the lineup in the days ahead, distributing most of the minutes to the players he believes will play the hardest and put the team first. “I’m going to have to be a complete asshole from this point on and only play the players that care,” he said. “There’s a group of people on this team that if I played them, I really feel in my heart we could be undefeated or only have one loss. The main reason we have these losses is the veterans don’t want to take the young guys under their wings. They want it to be about them. So when adversity hits, they run. I guarantee you we’ll start winning because you’re gonna see guys out there who care and will carry out the game plan. They might make mistakes, but there are not gonna be any character issues.”

Asked if had enough “asshole” in him to switch things up so drastically, Hardaway laughed. “I’ve got a lot of asshole in me. I’m from the ’hood. I’m respectful because my grandmother raised me the right way. But if you’re destroying the team from the inside and not caring, that’ll make me snap.”
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Hardaway believes that problem results from players trying to beat defenses by themselves. “That’s not how we teach,” he said. “We had it under control (against Georgia), and we only had 11 turnovers. The 20 turnovers (Saturday) came from guys trying to do too much and breaking off the offense. That’s a big part of what’s going on. We’re playing nationally televised games, and they’re trying to be seen.”

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12/05/2021 8:47 am  #82


Re: GW vs Charlotte Game Thread

Quiz question: Which university cares more about its men's basketball program? GW or Maryland? The facts: Maryland fires (mutual agreement baloney) Mark Turgeon 11 games into this season after a 226-116 record, 5 NCAA appearances, and a Sweet Sixteen. GW, on the other hand, quietly sits back and watches its coach compile a 2-8 record this season and a 19-40 record over 2 seasons plus. Maryland has to cough up $5 million to do so while GW is just too poor to follow suit. Admittedly Maryland has a lot more money than GW but a buyout of Christian would be markedly less. Answer to question: Maryland gives a damn about its men's basketball program and GW does not. And all its fans continue to suffer.

 

12/05/2021 12:23 pm  #83


Re: GW vs Charlotte Game Thread

moneybox wrote:

Quiz question: Which university cares more about its men's basketball program? GW or Maryland? The facts: Maryland fires (mutual agreement baloney) Mark Turgeon 11 games into this season after a 226-116 record, 5 NCAA appearances, and a Sweet Sixteen. GW, on the other hand, quietly sits back and watches its coach compile a 2-8 record this season and a 19-40 record over 2 seasons plus. Maryland has to cough up $5 million to do so while GW is just too poor to follow suit. Admittedly Maryland has a lot more money than GW but a buyout of Christian would be markedly less. Answer to question: Maryland gives a damn about its men's basketball program and GW does not. And all its fans continue to suffer.

I think the case with GW might have been different at other times in the past if the school’s finances were better and there was a President who was in the middle of their tenure.  So we would see a buyout after this year based on JC’s performance.  The other big issue is that GW’s President is in the last month of his job, and a new Interim President will be at GW in January.  I don’t think a buyout is something where an AD could make a call on that.  So if TV feels the need to move on from JC after this season, does she even have the ability to do it?  Or would she need to go to the new Interim President to make that call?  Given the dollars involved that seems likely to be the case.

I just can’t imagine an Interim President in May deciding to work on a buyout and beginning a coaching search.  It will probably not even enter his mind.  I think he would need to get direction from the Board to do something like that.  And is there anyone there who will push for that?  I doubt it.  If JC’s team next season ends up below .500 it’s really hard to see him getting a contract extension.  I just think some of us here are paying closer attention and realize the likelihood of that happening from today’s standpoint.


 

 

12/05/2021 1:53 pm  #84


Re: GW vs Charlotte Game Thread

There is always an excuse at the school not to do what's right in terms of men's basketball. The university is constantly in turmoil including spending an inordinate amount of time deciding what to replace that dratted mascot the Colonial with something that won't offend any interest group except maybe the animal kingdom. Money is always a problem too--or so the administration has been saying since 1821. Here are the facts regardless of excuse after excuse: our men's basketball program is an embarrassment and there is no hope in sight!   PS: The fact that you even mention the words "contract extension" epitomizes how far the program has sunk and taken us all down with it!

 

12/05/2021 1:54 pm  #85


Re: GW vs Charlotte Game Thread

The guy is 19-40. Let me repeat that: The guy is 19-40. Have we no shame!

 

12/06/2021 8:57 am  #86


Re: GW vs Charlotte Game Thread

Simple solution moneybox ... go down to GW and bring your check book. Write out a check for probably $1.5 million and they may listen to you. Since you repeat yourself 100 times here and call yourself "moneybox" this seems to be something you are passionate about and have the means to do. Be a big boy and step up to the plate. I'll wait.

 

12/06/2021 9:14 am  #87


Re: GW vs Charlotte Game Thread

GWRising (boy are you an optimist!) : I've already paid my dues several times over (donations, tickets, etc.) in my 56 years of following the team. In reality, Jeff Bezos' kind of money couldn't save this program. The school just doesn't give a damn.

 

12/06/2021 10:27 am  #88


Re: GW vs Charlotte Game Thread

Moneybox, I don't disagree regarding the school's apathy towards the program.  In general, it has shown a severe lack of understanding or disregard with respect to what a successful men's basketball program can do for the entire university, from realizing increases in student applications (thereby raising the academic profile of an "average" student) to landing more prestigious and qualified professors, researchers and other academics to work at GW to enhancing overall morale on campus.  

That said, any comparison to Maryland's situation (as you raised earlier in this thread) is truly misguided.  If Maryland boosters needed to come up with $5 million to oust Turgeon, give them about a week.  This just doesn't exist at GW, even for a buyout of roughly 1/3 of this amount) and believe me, there are pros and cons to the fact that it doesn't.  Let's just say that it's one thing for fans to vocalize their displeasure and for the school to really listen to this, while it's another for fans to be in a position to call the shots within a college athletic program simply by writing checks. 

As I've consistently maintained, JC is not going anywhere after this season.  The fact that we are in transition between school presidents has nothing to do with this.  I would venture to say that in the history of GW basketball, the school has never paid an ex-coach for two full years to not coach at GW.  One year...yes.  Two years, I don't think so. 

If you are so dissatisfied with JC that you feel he should not be given at least this season and next to turn things around (I personally am not in this camp but can see why someone may be), I would encourage you to communicate your displeasure with TV.  Like I said, I don't believe that change is happening anytime soon but I suppose if enough people did this between this year and next, and results did not improve, it would likely carry some weight.  

Someone mentioned recently that we really could use a Dr. Chernak right about now and I couldn't agree more.  Dr. Chernak was the rare school official who championed this program.  Is anyone taking this role even in a behind-the-scenes, less conspicuous manner?

Lastly, there's the Charlotte game itself.  All one really needs to know is that Charlotte scored on 21 layups or dunks according to the official play-by-play of the game, and scored 44 points in the paint overall.  I'll repeat this for emphasis...that's 21 layups or dunks.  This team plays individual defense (9 blocks and 10 steals on Saturday, both impressive numbers) but it is clueless when it comes to playing team defense.

Right now, we have a group of guys who for the most part, look like they are primarily playing for themselves.  That has to change.  

 

12/06/2021 8:30 pm  #89


Re: GW vs Charlotte Game Thread

I have emailed the AD at length about this mess but, of course, since the school won't entertain a buyout no matter how bad things get, I believe she is powerless to do anything but back the current coach, regardless of what her true feelings are. The school has been here before and undoubtedly will be here again in the future because, as I have said, the thought of paying a proven, successful coach from a quality league has never crossed its mind. Finally, I really had hoped that Coach Christian would succeed because he is such a nice guy and very enthusiastic, but the handwriting seems to be on the wall.

 

12/06/2021 9:48 pm  #90


Re: GW vs Charlotte Game Thread

So have we gone from “trust the coach, we are making progress” to its the fans fault for not contributing enough?

 

12/07/2021 8:19 am  #91


Re: GW vs Charlotte Game Thread

Some stats on Jamison Battle at Minnesota: 17.9 pts, 6.1 rebounds, 47.9 FG pct., team 7-0. I can't imagine why he would have left GW for that. Oh what might have been.

 

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