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1/13/2022 11:34 pm  #1

Ira Lee Injury

Has any injury in recent GW history more derailed a season?

Ira Lee

That starting 5 could hold its own, against at least most teams.   What a difference subtracting Lee makes. 

I can't even think of an entire season long injury to a key GW player since... Lasan Kroman 2010-11??

Last edited by The Dude (1/13/2022 11:36 pm)


1/14/2022 7:56 am  #2

Re: Ira Lee Injury

Things might have turned out differently but after watching this years team I’m pretty sure they would still under perform. If you check the roster you will see Lee is no longer mentioned. I believe he is no longer in school.


1/14/2022 8:43 am  #3

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Well, that sucks...

On the topic, i am not remotely convinced that Ira Lee makes such an insane difference. Sure, we could actually hold our own inside more than we do now, but i think this is a difference of maybe a couple wins. Ira Lee being present doesnt mean we would have game plans and team cohesion all of the sudden.


1/14/2022 9:22 am  #4

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Wow, and the hits keep coming. Figured he would be some help next year.  So JC currently only has C of C transfer Keegan Harvey and freshman Jabari West Jr. to help things get turned around next year. No obvious game plans, ugly to watch basketball, often poor effort from the players, non-competitive games, and no real hope of new players to change any of that. What a cluster fuck of crap. People on this Board say GW doesn't have the resources to replace him. I say how can GW not afford to replace him.

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1/14/2022 10:39 am  #5

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He's been on the bench.


1/14/2022 10:55 am  #6

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Was on bench. I’m very confident he’s gone.


1/14/2022 11:11 am  #7

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I never saw Ira Lee play, and I know that he plays a position in which we are desperately in need of help.  However, over the course of 3 varsity seasons, he has averaged 3.0 ppg, 3.0 rebounds per game and 0.3 assists per game.     I recognize that Moyer had comparable stats prior to coming to GW and averaged nearly a double/double, so Lees numbers could changed at GW, but I would hardly assume that Ira Lee would have been a significant game changer for a team that is so deficient in so many areas.   No matter how badly a team is outscored and outrebounded, someone still has to get the points see 2020-2021 James Bishop) and rebounds, and Moyer was hardly a game changer for GW, and I strongly suspect that Lee would not have been the difference in turning this train wreck of a team into something competitive.   But fantasies are nice and generally harmless.


1/14/2022 11:57 am  #8

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Isiah Armwood averages at Villanova:

2pts 2 boards. 47% FG

Ira Lee averages at Arizona:

4 pts 3 boards

56% FG

Last edited by The Dude (1/14/2022 12:01 pm)

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1/14/2022 12:04 pm  #9

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Long Suffering Fan wrote:

I never saw Ira Lee play, and I know that he plays a position in which we are desperately in need of help.  However, over the course of 3 varsity seasons, he has averaged 3.0 ppg, 3.0 rebounds per game and 0.3 assists per game..... I strongly suspect that Lee would not have been the difference in turning this train wreck of a team into something competitive.   But fantasies are nice and generally harmless.

     Well said. It's really a huge leap to assume Lee would be a difference maker, except to possibly shore up a very shaky interior. He also had suffered several injuries at Arizona State.
   If correct and no reason to doubt it at the moment, don't get why Ira would leave now, though, unless he doesn't like cold weather, which might be understandable, given this winter. He seemed to be into the team on the bench.
 Maybe he developed an app and couldn't put enough time into not practicing, as we've seen before. At worst, he'd be getting a free graduate education.
  This happening would indeed suck, as we hold a roster spot open for a year with no gain (the specialty of the house) and wind up with a painfully thin, oddly built team.
  It really puts a new light on the whole "if we had a healthy Ira Lee" argument, which was quite understandable, but way hypothetically optimistic.


1/14/2022 1:08 pm  #10

Re: Ira Lee Injury

Ira Lee played for Arizona not Arizona St.

He averaged 3.9 pts not 3, almost double Zeke Armwood at Villanova

Do you add anything at all other than 25 straight years of pure rank negativity?

Anyone who has seen Ira Lee play knows he was going to make a big impact here.

Problem is he's the guy we could least afford to lose to an entire season ending injury

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1/14/2022 1:21 pm  #11

Re: Ira Lee Injury

Yes, Ira Lee is gone. He would have helped big-time this season but I think in general the prospect of 2 years in graduate school to play one season was ultimately not what he wanted. 


1/14/2022 1:57 pm  #12

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Not good news in terms of this year's resources, but thanks to 2twooed for letting us know. 


1/14/2022 2:28 pm  #13

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With all due respect to Ira, did it really take him over four full months to conclude that he did not want to go to school for two years in order to play for one?  For four plus months, he was sitting on a 2022-23 scholarship that could have been offered to someone else during the early signing period.  For four plus full months, he was being counted on to contribute to next year's team, implying that certain recruiting decisions may have been made or not made with this in mind.

There is either more to this, such as Ira watching what the team has been going through this season and deciding he wanted no part of this, or this strikes me as a move that could have and should have been made months ago. 


1/14/2022 2:37 pm  #14

Re: Ira Lee Injury

Well that stinks.

Probably saw what he needed to see and realized next year’s team might not be worth sticking around. Gotta think there will be plenty of turnover once again.

Also you can’t discount the COVID factor. The school is more or less locked down and students can’t visit each other in different dorms. What kind of social life is that? Might as well go home to sunny SoCal.

Lastly, I wonder how far along he is on his rehab? Could be that he got some nice rehab from GW and doesn’t need to stay in DC anymore. As Shaq once said, “I got hurt on company time, I rehab on company time”


1/14/2022 2:42 pm  #15

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A team I'd like to see top 6:

Ira Lee
Ricky Lindo
Jamison Battle
James Bishop
Brayon Freeman

Losing Ira Lee, meant this team in th end added Adams and JoeBam and lost Battle and Moyer.  Having done that and not having Ira Lee, it decimated our FrontCourt

  Its not hard to see why we appear to have moved laterly this year and not forward.

This is really why you need a base of core HS recruits to build around.  

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1/14/2022 2:53 pm  #16

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yeah, that is not great news... 

If what one might expect to happen in terms of exits and transfers out this offseason happens, we could find ourselves in a significantly worse position.... 

though maybe a bunch of below A-10 caliber talents who play like a team would be a big upgrade over a bunch of above A-10 caliber talents who absolutely don't...


1/14/2022 2:54 pm  #17

Re: Ira Lee Injury

I hate to be seen as agreeing with "The Dude", but (having watched some Arizona games over the last few years) I have to believe that this year´s team would be noticibly better with Lee on the court and healthy. Good enough to be an A-10 title contender? Probably not, but certainly better than what we saw in that JCC gym in Naples or out in the L.A. suburbs. At the same time, he is a college grad who might not want to hang around a campus any more and waiting in DC until next season to play might not have been his cup of tea. A case of "what could have been".


1/14/2022 3:59 pm  #18

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I love this. Blaming a player no one has ever seen play, who has underwhelming career stats, and who has never suited up for GW, for contributing to our horrible season. "Not only is the food terrible, there's not enough of it!"


1/14/2022 4:00 pm  #19

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LSF, I’ve seen him play a lot. 

Forget the averages - he’s a very good player who brings a lot of things we don’t have.  That said, he’s not going to turn a 275th ranked teams into 125 by himself. But I don’t think there’s any question his injury was a major setback and he’s the player we could least afford to lose.

Really a shame we aren’t getting him next year, but I don’t think anyone can really judge a 23 year old college grad negatively for that decision.


1/14/2022 4:24 pm  #20

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Yeah, GW would be #1 right now in the A-10 standings had we gotten Ira Lee, a player who didn't do much at Arizona.

We also would have won the NCAA Tourney 2 out of 4 years had Lonergan gotten Garza.

No harm in dreaming about what if's based on the last 5 years and the next 5 years.

Keep Raising High my friends!


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