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3/18/2023 12:41 pm  #21


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People used to say Tony Bennett and Bill Self and Jay Wright were the most overrated most overpaid Coaches too, because being very successful means you get lots of very high seeds and will get upset.   Then they all won National Titles and the storyline about them faded away.  

Matt Painter has 17 NCAA Tourney wins at Purdue, but he does have now several huge upset losses. 
That said he's 209-120 in The Big 10 and they win big almost every year under Painter.

Since he got the top job at Purdue (as a 34 year old) in-state rivals Indiana have fired:

Mike Davis. Kelvin Sampson.  Tom Crean. Archie Miller.  


 

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3/18/2023 11:28 pm  #22


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Rough night for the Terps offensively. 35% from the field and 12.5% from three.

 

3/19/2023 2:23 pm  #23


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Sean Miller back to the Sweet 16

3rd straight year with a 15 in The Sweet 16

Horrendous year for The Blue Bloods!

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3/19/2023 11:21 pm  #24


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The Dude wrote:

Sean Miller back to the Sweet 16

3rd straight year with a 15 in The Sweet 16

Horrendous year for The Blue Bloods!

True to some extent, although UCLA and Michigan State are still alive.

What’s interesting to me is that the Sweet 16 includes representatives from 11 conferences. The only conferences with multiple teams left are the Big East and SEC with 3 teams each and the Big 12 with 2. The Big 10 was once again overrated by the pundits, the computer rankings, and the selection committee…

With teams still left from 5 non-power conferences, it seems the A10 continues to fall behind the mid-majors it once led.

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3/20/2023 12:43 am  #25


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Well, yeah very good Tourney for the now power 5s.

8 Straight Sweet 16s
For Gonzaga
3rd school in History (Duke, UNC)

Seeing how well the non power 5s did would be nice to see more bids in the future

Schools like Florida Atlantic showed how legit they are.  Computer numbers are no fluke

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3/20/2023 7:37 am  #26


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There’s been an interesting pattern throughout the NCAA tourney - teams going away from their best player and losing ground because of it.

Purdue started chucking threes instead of going to Edey and lost. Yesterday Mike Miles didn’t touch the ball during the decisive stretch late in the second half for TCU. For Kansas Jalen Wilson didn’t take a shot from 11 minutes left until the final minute, during which they lost their lead.   Even Texas stopped going to Dylan Disu, who was dominating, down the stretch to lose their lead, but they figured it out the last 3 minutes or so and that got them control of the game back.

It actually reminds me of the mistake GW made in the 1994 second round against UCONN where midway through the second half we stopped going inside to Yinka.  Yinka had been dominating that game and we were right in it, but we stopped going to our best player and fell behind.   Teams really need to make their best players are getting shots down the stretch.

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3/20/2023 11:19 am  #27


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The Dude wrote:

Well, yeah very good Tourney for the now power 5s.

8 Straight Sweet 16s
For Gonzaga
3rd school in History (Duke, UNC)

Seeing how well the non power 5s did would be nice to see more bids in the future

Schools like Florida Atlantic showed how legit they are. Computer numbers are no fluke

Since most include the Big East as an extension of the Power 5, the only non automatic qualifier from a conference outside of the top 6 who is still alive is Houston, who will be joining a power conference and is of course was the nation's top ranked team for much of the year.  There weren't many in the field to begin with..Nevada lost in a First 4 game, Boise State lost to Northwestern, Utah State lost to Missouri.  Only St. Mary's took a game over VCU.  If Houston had been healthy and would have presumably been the AQ, then even Memphis as an at large in this example failed to win a game,  The midmajors who have done well are for the most part all automatic qualifiers (except for FDU who was the rare "by default qualifier."

As for computer numbers, 30% of the first 4 and first round games resulted in the team with the lesser NET ranking defeating the team with the better one.  In the second round, 25% of the matchups followed this pattern.  Just about what you'd expect to see in any NCAA tournament.  Cherry-picking one team or a handful of games to try to prove a point is ridiculous.  

 

3/20/2023 11:56 am  #28


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As the seconds ticked off at the end of the FAU-FDU game last night, FDU stopped fouling when down by 7, a sportsmanlike move not always done.
    But an FAU player decided to take advantage of not being guarded and try a last-second windmill-style dunk--even though the game was decided and no one was trying to stop him. His reward for this crass and unsportsmanlike gesture was karma: his most inappopriate move clanged off the back of the rim and rebounded pretty far back into the court, a further deserved humiliation.
   We went over this type of thing with a former player last year, though not in this situation
Basketball, aside, the former player, who at times, could score a lot, seemed from videos to be quite an asset to the GW community with multiple talents.
    And while one of his missed showy dunk attempts was when we were up by 20 and JC somehow approved and defended them, don't think he would do it in this situation.
    But if you were watching the game or saw the ill-conceived and fated attempt, didn't it seem a bit familiar.
It indeed seemed reminiscent of both the perils of trying to gain style points and failing--and of our struggles in recent years.
   

 

3/22/2023 3:14 pm  #29


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Tom Izzo and March Madness seems like a thing, but is it?

Yes it is!  16x Izzo's team has beaten a team with a better seed than his team, the most in history.

In contrast, Shaka Smart teams have lost 8 of their last 9 tourney games.  Two of the last 3:

losing to a 14 seed and now losing in round 2 as the  #2 seed



 

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3/22/2023 4:08 pm  #30


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Nevertheless, quite a year for Shaka Smart.  Big East regular season champions for the first time in Marquette's history. The team had been predicted for a 9th place finish in the preseason.  Big East Tournament champions.  Unanimous selection for Big East Coach of the Year.  Beat big bad UCONN two out of three times, including in the semifinals of the conference tournament.

You really have to be a tremendous idiot, asshole, or both, to be taking shots at Shaka after the season he and his team just had.

 

3/22/2023 4:20 pm  #31


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Did I forget to mention that Shaka was also named the national coach of the year this season?  Oh, that's on me.  I am sorry.  Shaka did win the Henry Iba National Coach of the Year Award this season as voted on by sportswriters.  The Big East Coach of the year is voted on by coaches.  That's the one which he won unanimously.

 

3/22/2023 7:28 pm  #32


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With the retirments of so many legendary Coaches, real changing of the guard of active winningest Coaches in the NCAA Tourney

Self is #1,  Izzo, Pitino, Calipari,  Mark Few is now 5th with an incredible 40 NCAA Tourney wins already.

Not sure any of those guys is going to catch Coach K's total, but they're all at least in theory young enough if they stick around forever.

 

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3/23/2023 8:31 pm  #33


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Mich St goes down in OT great game

UConn and Hurley to The Elite 8, what a blowout 88-65

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3/23/2023 11:24 pm  #34


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Gonzaga back To  The Elite 8

What a game


That's two Gonzaga wins over UCLA in recent NCAA Tourney thrillers

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3/23/2023 11:44 pm  #35


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The Dude wrote:

Gonzaga back To  The Elite 8

What a game


That's two Gonzaga wins over UCLA in recent NCAA Tourney thrillers

And both on extremely deep 3 points in the final seconds.  What a shot from the logo by strawther.

 

3/23/2023 11:55 pm  #36


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Free Quebec wrote:

The Dude wrote:

Gonzaga back To  The Elite 8

What a game


That's two Gonzaga wins over UCLA in recent NCAA Tourney thrillers

And both on extremely deep 3 points in the final seconds.  What a shot from the logo by strawther.

Absolutely incredible stuff what drama

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3/24/2023 5:19 am  #37


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FAU! Once they reach the final four, do they automatically get an invite to the A10 like Mason, VCU, and Loyola?

 

3/24/2023 9:02 am  #38


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I know that Strawther made a nice long shot, but in the age of Steph Curry many, many players can make that shot if not contested or lightly contested as UCLA did last night. Mark Few commented after the game that Gonzaga practices that shot frequently in practice and Strawther usually makes it.  The question is why an experienced coach like Mick Cronin would take off the pressure defense that got him the lead from eight down in under a minute and give Gonzaga no resistance in inbounding the ball or setting up the final play.  When the play started there was 12.2 seconds left.   When Stawther's shot went through the hoop there were 7.2 seconds left.  Allowing two seconds for the shot from time of release to the time it went through the hoop, that means that it took Gonzaga just three seconds from inbounding the ball to release the shot to complete the play that ended up as the winning shot,

In almost the identical situation in the second round of the NIT Vanderbilt came from nine down to take a one-point lead over Michigan with 12.2 seconds left.  Vanderbilt coach Jerry Stackhouse had his team continue to pressure full court that allowed Vandy to get the lead to make Michigan uncomfortable and kill time.  Like Gonzaga, Michigan has a dominant big man in Hunter Dickenson and Stackhouse's strategy to pressure Michigan forced Michigan to take a shot by Dickenson under pressure that missed along with a missed rushed follow-up and Michigan lost  the game running out of time.with the ball in their hands.  Finally, if Gonzaga has a weakness it is not great point guard play and they are susceptible to pressure defense.  Always make the offense uncomfortable and don't allow them to make a play they practice all the time.

 

3/24/2023 9:28 am  #39


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The NCAA should just require that UCLA and Gonzaga play a couple of times per season. What an entertaining match-up, beats those Duke-UNC games of the 90´s. I just wish last night´s had started before my bedtime.

 

3/24/2023 11:31 am  #40


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LA Colonial wrote:

I know that Strawther made a nice long shot, but in the age of Steph Curry many, many players can make that shot if not contested or lightly contested as UCLA did last night. Mark Few commented after the game that Gonzaga practices that shot frequently in practice and Strawther usually makes it.  The question is why an experienced coach like Mick Cronin would take off the pressure defense that got him the lead from eight down in under a minute and give Gonzaga no resistance in inbounding the ball or setting up the final play.  When the play started there was 12.2 seconds left.   When Stawther's shot went through the hoop there were 7.2 seconds left.  Allowing two seconds for the shot from time of release to the time it went through the hoop, that means that it took Gonzaga just three seconds from inbounding the ball to release the shot to complete the play that ended up as the winning shot,

In almost the identical situation in the second round of the NIT Vanderbilt came from nine down to take a one-point lead over Michigan with 12.2 seconds left.  Vanderbilt coach Jerry Stackhouse had his team continue to pressure full court that allowed Vandy to get the lead to make Michigan uncomfortable and kill time.  Like Gonzaga, Michigan has a dominant big man in Hunter Dickenson and Stackhouse's strategy to pressure Michigan forced Michigan to take a shot by Dickenson under pressure that missed along with a missed rushed follow-up and Michigan lost  the game running out of time.with the ball in their hands.  Finally, if Gonzaga has a weakness it is not great point guard play and they are susceptible to pressure defense.  Always make the offense uncomfortable and don't allow them to make a play they practice all the time.

Spot on all around, 💯.  Great analysis

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