Agree with you 1000%. Tried to find out yesterday which schools signed the letter and I couldn't find GW listed in any list. My feeling is that GW has been relegated to second class status, given the named schools who have signed the letter. Seems like a bit of cowardice on the school's part!

I see this a little differently.  The schools have done Jack Shit to curb the blatant anti Semitism.  Look at your social media feed today.  Today at Georget%^N, Columbia and Yale, Jews are being blocked from entering school buildings, and at Georget^&n a Hamas affiliated Professor (why the fuck is he working there?) is being protected by Hamas sympathizers dressed like Jihadists.  Don't believe me, search the interweb google machine.  Granberg has been nothing but a big disappointment and embarrassment.  She has coddled the groups that would punish, discriminate and jail her for her gender, the person she loves, and her religion.

If these universities had stamped out the anti Semitism rallies, marches, and protests when this started, we would not have this conversation.  But the Biden Admin didn't want the Jew Hatred crowd rallying against them more than they were already doing.  

So when the anti Trump, anti MAGA and left leaning/left wing crowd says Trump is trying to "control what can and can't be taught, and threatening to withhold federal funding to schools who do not comply with the Administration's wishes" they should recall that all the schools needed to do was to protect ALL students, including Jewish students.  But you know what, they didn't.

The University Administration should ask themselves what they would do if the word Jewish was interchanged with the words gay, black, Hispanic, Asian or female.  We all KNOW there would be outrage and the marches, protests and rallies would be condemned and dismantled.  But we all now see how rampant and engrained the Jew Hatred is at these institutions.  They look for reasons to continue it, you know why, money.  Look at all the Arab oil money from Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and their affiliates pour into the schools.  Don't believe me, look it up.  

I don't want my tax dollars to support this ugly belief that it is permissible to continue Jew Hatred. If withholding Federal funds is the only way to stop it, I am all for it.  The Universities have had 18 months to do something, and they haven't.  You would think a lesbian Jewish University President would speak out....but NO.  Like I said, she has been an embarrassment and disappointment. 


 

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Mike K, we can find fault with the Biden Administration's handling of antisemitism while at the same time, condemn the current administration's blatant overreach.  Even if Trump's agenda was nothing more than fighting back against antisemitism, and I am far from convinced that this is the case, the actions he is taking or threatening to take are egregious to say the least.  I am Jewish and of course I abhor antisemitism.  That said, the price of millions of Americans losing their jobs, or of a substantial amount of vital medical research coming to a halt, just isn't worth this fight to me.   I would urge you to read Mara Riegel's excellent April 21 column in the GW Hatchet entitled "Perspective:  Trump Exploits Antisemitism To Repress Student Speech."  I suspect many Jews, like Mara and myself, are opposed to being help up like pawns to advance this fight.  Especially from the guy who was sure there were fine people on both sides in Charlottesville.

GWRising, your reaction says to me that that you equate "free speech" with "any or all speech", and this simply isn't true.  Hate speech must be differentiated from free speech.  Verbal and physical harassment must be differentiated from free speech.  Breaking laws must be differentiated from free speech.  One can not walk into a crowded movie theatre and scream "fire" where there is none.  That's breaking the law, not free speech.
 

Gwmayhem wrote:

Mike K, we can find fault with the Biden Administration's handling of antisemitism while at the same time, condemn the current administration's blatant overreach.  Even if Trump's agenda was nothing more than fighting back against antisemitism, and I am far from convinced that this is the case, the actions he is taking or threatening to take are egregious to say the least.  I am Jewish and of course I abhor antisemitism.  That said, the price of millions of Americans losing their jobs, or of a substantial amount of vital medical research coming to a halt, just isn't worth this fight to me.   I would urge you to read Mara Riegel's excellent April 21 column in the GW Hatchet entitled "Perspective:  Trump Exploits Antisemitism To Repress Student Speech."  I suspect many Jews, like Mara and myself, are opposed to being help up like pawns to advance this fight.  Especially from the guy who was sure there were fine people on both sides in Charlottesville.

GWRising, your reaction says to me that that you equate "free speech" with "any or all speech", and this simply isn't true.  Hate speech must be differentiated from free speech.  Verbal and physical harassment must be differentiated from free speech.  Breaking laws must be differentiated from free speech.  One can not walk into a crowded movie theatre and scream "fire" where there is none.  That's breaking the law, not free speech.
 

Not always a fan of your basketball takes on here, but +1 to this.

Gwmayhem wrote:

Mike K, we can find fault with the Biden Administration's handling of antisemitism while at the same time, condemn the current administration's blatant overreach.  Even if Trump's agenda was nothing more than fighting back against antisemitism, and I am far from convinced that this is the case, the actions he is taking or threatening to take are egregious to say the least.  I am Jewish and of course I abhor antisemitism.  That said, the price of millions of Americans losing their jobs, or of a substantial amount of vital medical research coming to a halt, just isn't worth this fight to me.   I would urge you to read Mara Riegel's excellent April 21 column in the GW Hatchet entitled "Perspective:  Trump Exploits Antisemitism To Repress Student Speech."  I suspect many Jews, like Mara and myself, are opposed to being help up like pawns to advance this fight.  Especially from the guy who was sure there were fine people on both sides in Charlottesville.

GWRising, your reaction says to me that that you equate "free speech" with "any or all speech", and this simply isn't true.  Hate speech must be differentiated from free speech.  Verbal and physical harassment must be differentiated from free speech.  Breaking laws must be differentiated from free speech.  One can not walk into a crowded movie theatre and scream "fire" where there is none.  That's breaking the law, not free speech.
 

 So threatening and intimidating Jews on campus is not hate speech? And when it becomes more than just an isolated incident but a pattern or practice on campus who is responsible? You know damn well those students with revoked visas are targeted for that conduct not because they wrote a paper on the virtues of socialism. The idea that it is widespread against all foreign students is complete and utter bullshit. You have faculty knowingly participating in, speaking at, and agitating at rallies where Jewish students are being harassed without repercussions. Not hate speech? Walk the campuses of Columbia, Penn or Harvard with a visible indicia of being Jewish and see what happens. Ask Jews how they are being assigned paper topics like "Should Israeli Officers face the death penalty for Israeli Genocide in Gaza".  The Ivory Tower has lost its way. Enough is enough. Just stop with academic free speech issues. This is real world hate not some classroom exercise. We condition federal funding on all sorts of things. The Trump Administration is well within its rights to turn the screws on Universities who won't reign this shit in. At a minimum, the taxpayers shouldn't have to fund it. They will have to decide between protecting all students safety on campus or medical research. I think we can have both. It will be the lunatics who think otherwise.

I hate the anti-semitism present on college campuses today and how it has been prevalent in the protests on Isreal's actions in Gaza.  However, if you think that the Trump administrations actions against Harvard and the other universities has anything to do with anti-semetism, I have some shares of Truth social to sell you. The discussion of anti-semetism is just a cover for the Trump administration to go after another perceived enemy (academic institutions) and trying to get them to act in a manner more consistent with their political philosophy.  They don't really care about anti-semetism, otherwise they would also go after the members of the Alt-Right who also express anti-semeticism.  They just know that they can inflame the passions of good people using this excuse so they can accomplish their real political goals. I'm sad to see that this tactic may actual be effective.         

GWRising wrote:

Hugh wrote:

GWRising wrote:

Guess the Qataris must have made a call. Shameful what we sell our soul for.

Correct, shameful that the right has sold its soul to an anti-American insurrectionist denying people the due process guaranteed by the constitution. 

 LMAO ... doubt you understand what due process means. You mean the due process Garcia was afforded before multiple judges and appeals resulting in a valid deportation order? Whether he should have been deported to El Salvador is an administrative error not a denial of due process. He should be returned and his plane should do a touch and go landing and take him to the country of his choosing because he is out of here either way.  Question ... did you find your new love of due process of law when the Biden Administration stripped people of property and jobs without hearings during COVID or just now because it is Orange Man bad? 

The liberals don't know he already had due process, court hearings (PLURAL), and a deportation order.  You know why they don't know???  Because Jake Tapper, Lester Holt, David Muir and Rachel Maddow don't tell them.  Plain and simple.  

Gwmayhem wrote:

Mike K, we can find fault with the Biden Administration's handling of antisemitism while at the same time, condemn the current administration's blatant overreach.  Even if Trump's agenda was nothing more than fighting back against antisemitism, and I am far from convinced that this is the case, the actions he is taking or threatening to take are egregious to say the least.  I am Jewish and of course I abhor antisemitism.  That said, the price of millions of Americans losing their jobs, or of a substantial amount of vital medical research coming to a halt, just isn't worth this fight to me.   I would urge you to read Mara Riegel's excellent April 21 column in the GW Hatchet entitled "Perspective:  Trump Exploits Antisemitism To Repress Student Speech."  I suspect many Jews, like Mara and myself, are opposed to being help up like pawns to advance this fight.  Especially from the guy who was sure there were fine people on both sides in Charlottesville.

GWRising, your reaction says to me that that you equate "free speech" with "any or all speech", and this simply isn't true.  Hate speech must be differentiated from free speech.  Verbal and physical harassment must be differentiated from free speech.  Breaking laws must be differentiated from free speech.  One can not walk into a crowded movie theatre and scream "fire" where there is none.  That's breaking the law, not free speech.
 

you wrote ... "substantial amount of vital medical research coming to a halt, just isn't worth this fight to me."  Isn't worth the fight???? You sound like a 1931 era Jewish Berliner who had their head in the sand and didn't want to fight the anti Semitism that was exploding, as it is now in 2025 America,  OK, sounds like your stance is: Research money is needed to cure disease, and it is more important than stopping the exploding, rising and worsening harassment and intimidation of students NATIONWIDE, in this case Jewish students.  

And regarding the Mara Reigel article in the GW Hatchet, I can only shake my head - A FELLOW Jew using Jewish victimhood to take down a political opponent who is trying to help fellow Jews. 

History sure is repeating itself, as I learned in virtually all of my Poly Sci and International Affairs classes.  

Moderator: Can we move this chat to the general general discussion 

 

God, 10 years of this fascist bullshit. I just can't take it anymore. As a jew I can quite confidentially say that I do not want the government to use my religion as a cover for implementing policies clearly designed to simply punish opponents that don't agree with its polices in order to lead us on a path to competitive authoritarianism.  It's pretty simple, Congress authorizes who the money goes to, not the executive branch.  Lump and his cronies are violating the constitution by withholding it.  When a judge tells Lump not to send a person to an overseas gulag and the administration does it anyway it is clearly violating the Constitution. What we have seen these first 3 months should be a shock to anyone with the slightest moral compass. That said, I realize nothing can be said to change a MAGA mind.  I have come to understand it is truly a cult - one in which admitting error or questioning ones belief system is seen as weakness. I also realize that this topic belongs no where on this Board but I couldn't resist responding to such nonsense. The person who first posted it should have known better.