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gwfan25 wrote:GWRising wrote:DC Native wrote:I hope he is wrong. This would be the saddest departure for me since Battle, and probably the second saddest for me ever.
This is a year-to-year deal now. I feel nothing when these kids leave for two reasons. First, because they are doing what is in their best interests so I am doing what is in mine - not caring. Second, because I know coming in almost all of them are possible one year rentals, I don't get invested as much in the individual personalities. Gone are the days when a kid was here for three or four years and you really got to know them and felt they represented GW and would become GW alumni. It feels like rotisserie baseball where you can retain 5 players each year.
This is a good way to put it. I feel like there is not a true way to build a fanbase or fan buy in with new players coming in and out every year. Makes it far more difficult to build consistent interest when people have to learn new players every year. Sad turn our sport has taken
There’s an easy solution. Actually sign kids to 3-4 year contracts.
| GW Men's Hoops » GW vs George Mason A10 Tourney Game Two Thread » 3/14/2025 4:36 pm |
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A rebound or two would be nice!
| GW Men's Hoops » Which will be more difficult for GW to deal with? » 6/08/2024 7:31 am |
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Gwmayhem wrote:danjsport wrote:jf wrote:
Treating "student-athletes" decently is one thing. Would argue they already are, but their labor
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could be rewarded in a number of personal and community ways that wouldn't be as crazy as the
unfettered nonsense we are going through now courtesy of the NCAA and the big schools.
By the way, Joe Bamisile is the reason for some, though hardly all, of this. Joe might be able to keep up with the academics, but many probably can't handle such change, and no doubt lose credits in any case. What does "college" mean to any marketable athlete anymore?
For the vast, vast majority of college athletes, including the now highly compensated basketball and football players, going pro is not an option. Even for the lucky very few who do, their working life is many years after they leave the sport.
College could and should serve a function, both in career development and frankly, personal growth. For the lucky ones who can attend, it is four years largely shielded from the responsibilities of life, spent with people your age, learning independence and especially for this generation, how to relate to people.
Changing schools for a better contract or a more prominent role every year--or even more than once, doesn't really allow one to develop a non-athletic life. Or quite possibly, even your athletic potential.
At GW, you get a $400,000+ package with expenses covered, plus an NIL salary for really talented players, you travel by charter, you're lionized in giant posters and elsewhere, and you have the ability to get a great education in the capital of the world.
And by the way, if you're really good and want to develop, we sent three players to the NBA in three years. And they got their degrees.
We don't make real significant money off our sports programs, including basketball, if we aren't in the red.
This seems like a pretty reasonable and attractive package for a pleasant experience withGW Men's Hoops » Which will be more difficult for GW to deal with? » 6/06/2024 9:45 pm - danjsport
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jf wrote:
Treating "student-athletes" decently is one thing. Would argue they already are, but their labor
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could be rewarded in a number of personal and community ways that wouldn't be as crazy as the
unfettered nonsense we are going through now courtesy of the NCAA and the big schools.
By the way, Joe Bamisile is the reason for some, though hardly all, of this. Joe might be able to keep up with the academics, but many probably can't handle such change, and no doubt lose credits in any case. What does "college" mean to any marketable athlete anymore?
For the vast, vast majority of college athletes, including the now highly compensated basketball and football players, going pro is not an option. Even for the lucky very few who do, their working life is many years after they leave the sport.
College could and should serve a function, both in career development and frankly, personal growth. For the lucky ones who can attend, it is four years largely shielded from the responsibilities of life, spent with people your age, learning independence and especially for this generation, how to relate to people.
Changing schools for a better contract or a more prominent role every year--or even more than once, doesn't really allow one to develop a non-athletic life. Or quite possibly, even your athletic potential.
At GW, you get a $400,000+ package with expenses covered, plus an NIL salary for really talented players, you travel by charter, you're lionized in giant posters and elsewhere, and you have the ability to get a great education in the capital of the world.
And by the way, if you're really good and want to develop, we sent three players to the NBA in three years. And they got their degrees.
We don't make real significant money off our sports programs, including basketball, if we aren't in the red.
This seems like a pretty reasonable and attractive package for a pleasant experience with great potential for lifetime oppo
GW Men's Hoops » Which will be more difficult for GW to deal with? » 6/06/2024 1:50 pm - danjsport
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We agree here, Rising. Across college athletics, there will be a reckoning about why the schools offer athletics. Is it to make money? Is it to provide brand recognition for the school and give students something to root for? Is it a loss leader for the brand of the school’s benefit?
Schools did not have to wrestle with this quite as much when they didn’t have to worry about paying players—and held a fairly tight grasp on what the player could do about leaving. Now, they will have to actually decide.
NCAA wanted this to be a business run on the back of labor that did not make dollars. Now that the labor may make dollars, NCAA has to rethink its business model
GW Men's Hoops » Which will be more difficult for GW to deal with? » 6/05/2024 8:54 pm - danjsport
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Why does everybody assume that the free transfer rule is going to stick around? I suspect that we are looking at a future with contracts for players. If the schools are directly paying the players, they can negotiate contracts that extend beyond one year? Don’t want a player to transfer-pay them. Want four years to build around guys—four year contract! Think a guy will only fill a need for a year? One year contract! The free transfer rule comes from the fact that these players were being forced out of playing solely because they wanted to leave. Now, I suspect those critical 13, 14, and 15 bench spots will be a lot less necessary if the school has to pay players. And football rosters may magically shrink. But the concept that the transfer rule will still be on the table seems misguided, to me.
GW Men's Hoops » Which will be more difficult for GW to deal with? » 6/05/2024 5:27 pm - danjsport
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So what you’re saying is, now that schools may actually have to pay cash to players, coaches won’t do as well financially?? When you have to pay the talent (with dollars), the other people can’t benefit off their “free education” quite the same way….
GW Men's Hoops » 2024 Transfer Portal Szn » 4/25/2024 5:15 pm - danjsport
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It’s amazing how much pressure we put on these kids to stay at one school, with no incentive to stay there (unless they choose to).
How about this for an idea—four year contracts for players, and if they want to leave, they pay a buyout.
GW Men's Hoops » 2024 Transfer Portal Szn » 4/08/2024 3:57 pm - danjsport
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jf wrote:
Interesting find, MG 14.
Even more interesting, Max is visiting Duquesne. Maybe he's absorbed the lesson of
Bamisile, who wound up back in the A-10.
This whole thing is crazy and ruining college basketball.It used to be that college basketball was ruined by 1 and dones. So, at least we have now evolved to basketball being ruined by kids who stay in school but change teams in order to financially benefit.
If only there were a legal mechanism to use that would ensure that players stayed for more than one year and were compensated.
GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/22/2023 8:49 pm - danjsport
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GWRising wrote:Gwmayhem wrote:
Here is what The Dude wrote at the time...a thread he entitled Thoughts on a new GW era:
GW hired one of the hottest young Coaches in the country.
We all know building a program back up takes several years, your recruits have to come and develop and that takes minimum of a few years. I'd hope we afford this Coach the minimum few years that will take, I'm not worried about "lack of buzz" or even the W-L, but progress and upward tilt level recruiting.
JC is going to get it done.
Long term the bigger concern is losing him, but we'll cross that road when we get there. Onward and upward GW What say you all???
I guess I missed the part where he objected to bringing in a coach who had only spent one season at his previous school.
Moving right along, I do not equate neither the decision-making abilities nor the life circumstances of many 18-22 year olds (players) with that of adults (coaches). Coaches are professionals who are older, many with families to help support, bills to pay, etc. In a perfect world, we would never see any coach move on until he or she fulfills the terms of their contract. However, in sports, we know this ship has sailed. A coach who leaves for a greater opportunity, greater responsibility and/or more money, is and should be applauded. It's called moving up in your profession and it's done in all professions.
This just couldn't be any more different than players who skip from one school to the next because they are not playing as much as they would like or because they are unhappy with the coaching staff. And again, I do feel that these players should be allowed to transfer once, no reasons needed, and without sitting out a year. And, am fine with a second transfer if the player has graduated or the coaching staff has moved on. Again, no questions asked. But to allow this an unlimited amount of times? That would just be bad for the player in the long run.
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GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/22/2023 8:42 pm - danjsport
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Gwmayhem wrote:
This is just an opinion, but let's think about what we're talking about. In the case of Joe Bamisile, he will be attending four schools in four years. That's four times he must acclimate himself to brand new surroundings. Four times, he must meet new people, make new friends, etc. Zero professors or peer-tutors he can rely upon as an academic mentor for more than one year. Four different coaching staffs. Four playbooks to learn. Four sets of teammates to learn to play with.
Am really not sure why we would want to create a set of rules that encourages student-athletes to switch schools whenever they would like without any deterrent for doing so. I get that Joe is an extreme example but change the "4's" to "3's" in the above example and that is what Danj appears to be lobbying for.
This is to say nothing about the life lessons involved in "sticking things out" and not running away the moment your playing time goes down. I can't imagine this bodes well for later on in life. If I am considering a job prospect and see that he or she has had 5 full-time jobs over the past 12 months, I can't say I would not be a bit concerned about hiring that individual.
So I want to be clear about what I’m advocating for. I’m
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Advocating for players to be paid. By the schools that make money off of them. And arguing that an education is insufficient compensation when others are making actual money.
The solution to the transfer rule is to give players contracts (and let’s not forget the scholarship contract is just a year to year arrangement. It is just now, the players have some more power if the coach chooses just to push them down the bench). Want a player? Sign him/her for two years or three years and pay him/her. Think the recruit might not pan out? Sign them for one year and take your chances. Wanna lock up the player? Pay the player!
I’m simply advocating that under the current pay structure (I.e, no payment from the school
GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/18/2023 7:05 pm - danjsport
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GWRising wrote:danjsport wrote:GWRising wrote:
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You seem to put very little value on receiving a college education. The idea that someone is "forced" to play for a free college education is mind-boggling given the differences in future earnings for those with degrees versus those without. 99% of these college athletes even in the marquee sports will never make enough money in their sport to not have to rely on their degree for a job. Yes, we are "forcing" people to get an education that will benefit them far beyond the context of that particular institution lol.
What also is a constant theme in your posts is that you love to count everyone else's money. This isn't socialism. Sorry wrong place. The idea that because some people make a lot of money when they are fortunate enough to get one of a very few head coaching positions or perhaps an AD position that college student-athletes are being exploited is nonsense. First of all, do you have any idea what most of these same people earned for a good portion of their work life while toiling as assistants etc.? Not much. For example, the vast majority of D1 assistant basketball coaches make less than six figures. Second, where do you think all this money earned by athletics goes at the big time schools? There aren't shareholders who pocket the money - it goes back into the University for buildings, scholarships and other things (faculty positions) that enhance the educational experience for students including non-student athletes. Finally, you completely discount the value of sports in providing a great student life experience for non-student athletes. Many students who are not athletes will choose a school precisely because athletics is a big part of the social scene. It costs money to create that environment.
Further, what you fail to realize is most institutions do not make any money on sports. Outside of the P5 plus a few ... net revenues are negative. Your solution would be to effectively eliminate scholarship spGW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/18/2023 7:04 pm - danjsport
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GWRising wrote:danjsport wrote:GWRising wrote:
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You seem to put very little value on receiving a college education. The idea that someone is "forced" to play for a free college education is mind-boggling given the differences in future earnings for those with degrees versus those without. 99% of these college athletes even in the marquee sports will never make enough money in their sport to not have to rely on their degree for a job. Yes, we are "forcing" people to get an education that will benefit them far beyond the context of that particular institution lol.
What also is a constant theme in your posts is that you love to count everyone else's money. This isn't socialism. Sorry wrong place. The idea that because some people make a lot of money when they are fortunate enough to get one of a very few head coaching positions or perhaps an AD position that college student-athletes are being exploited is nonsense. First of all, do you have any idea what most of these same people earned for a good portion of their work life while toiling as assistants etc.? Not much. For example, the vast majority of D1 assistant basketball coaches make less than six figures. Second, where do you think all this money earned by athletics goes at the big time schools? There aren't shareholders who pocket the money - it goes back into the University for buildings, scholarships and other things (faculty positions) that enhance the educational experience for students including non-student athletes. Finally, you completely discount the value of sports in providing a great student life experience for non-student athletes. Many students who are not athletes will choose a school precisely because athletics is a big part of the social scene. It costs money to create that environment.
Further, what you fail to realize is most institutions do not make any money on sports. Outside of the P5 plus a few ... net revenues are negative. Your solution would be to effectively eliminate scholarship spGW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/18/2023 1:28 pm - danjsport
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GWRising wrote:danjsport wrote:
GWrising- just because your notion matches up with the "fundamental compact" of a scholarship, does not mean it is not your notion. Nor does it mean it has to be the only notion. The notion is outdated. I agree that there is "consideration." It is just not negotiated consideration, and the players have no choice but to join the system, if they would like to play (whether it be for the education, the opportunity to play pro ball, or some combination). The system is rigged to force them to make money for others, while they get "compensated," these are NOT negotiated contracts. Take it or leave it is all they get.
What happens to the other sports when college sports implodes. I'm not sure. But I'm sure that a bunch of folks making money off the backs of two sports isn't the way it should happen. It's amazing how college sports is the time when you believe socialism should happen (so long as the admins can make money).
I agree- there will be lost scholarships. That's how the world works. If a university has to actually pay its labor force for the money it is bringing in, it will have to make decisions about who it can pay and who it can't. Maybe they could just offer Caputo a law degree instead of money. After all, it's great compensation! They could even give him a tutor!
Lastly, the fact that college education has been bloated and pushed out middle class people is a completely separate conversation. I agree (it's also why it's not really fair to say these kids are getting an 80k a year education).
You seem to put very little value on receiving a college education. The idea that someone is "forced" to play for a free college education is mind-boggling given the differences in future earnings for those with degrees versus those without. 99% of these college athletes even in the marquee sports will never make enough money in their sport to not have to rely on their degree for a job. Yes, we are "forcing" people to get an
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GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/18/2023 9:24 am - danjsport
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GWrising- just because your notion matches up with the "fundamental compact" of a scholarship, does not mean it is not your notion. Nor does it mean it has to be the only notion. The notion is outdated. I agree that there is "consideration." It is just not negotiated consideration, and the players have no choice but to join the system, if they would like to play (whether it be for the education, the opportunity to play pro ball, or some combination). The system is rigged to force them to make money for others, while they get "compensated," these are NOT negotiated contracts. Take it or leave it is all they get.
What happens to the other sports when college sports implodes. I'm not sure. But I'm sure that a bunch of folks making money off the backs of two sports isn't the way it should happen. It's amazing how college sports is the time when you believe socialism should happen (so long as the admins can make money).
I agree- there will be lost scholarships. That's how the world works. If a university has to actually pay its labor force for the money it is bringing in, it will have to make decisions about who it can pay and who it can't. Maybe they could just offer Caputo a law degree instead of money. After all, it's great compensation! They could even give him a tutor!
Lastly, the fact that college education has been bloated and pushed out middle class people is a completely separate conversation. I agree (it's also why it's not really fair to say these kids are getting an 80k a year education).
GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/15/2023 11:17 am - danjsport
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GWRising wrote:danjsport wrote:
Different idea—if a player wants to transfer, let them. Don’t hinder where they can go, or why. Don’t make them sit out. Let them go. If they leave because of money, so be it. That’s capitalism. Surely we have not made coaches sit a year between jobs for more money or prestige. If they leave because their parents are ill, so be it. If they leave just because they feel like it, so be it. Wanna stop it? Sign them to contracts that actually monetarily compensate them for their time and efforts. As long as each school is providing the same “compensation,” why shouldn’t the player get to choose where they go?
Despite the fact that this would ruin collegiate sports, is counter to the notion of student-athlete and we all know that each school is not able to provide the same "compensation", I'll play. Under your scenario since it's unlimited freedom and compensation for players like the pros, would coaches be allowed to cut players who don't perform like the pros? And if so can they do this midseason or at any point?
Seems to me if you want this to be like the pros then let's make it like the pros.Let's start with the fact that it is "counter to the notion of student-athlete." I disagree. "College athletes" are the only undergraduate students that have restrictions placed on their ability to transfer. A research assistant in a lab can transfer without sitting out a year because the research is more interesting (or they'll get compensated better) at another school. If we really want to treat them as students--rather than pawns in a game to make the viewing experience (and revenue experience) better for others, we'd allow them to transfer for any reason they choose, to attend whatever school they choose, and to continue to act in a manner that allows them to pursue their passions. Your version of "student athlete" focuses on the fact that they are there to serve the "school" in a role, in exchange for getting
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GW Men's Hoops » 2023 Transfer Portal Szn » 9/14/2023 4:58 pm - danjsport
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Different idea—if a player wants to transfer, let them. Don’t hinder where they can go, or why. Don’t make them sit out. Let them go. If they leave because of money, so be it. That’s capitalism. Surely we have not made coaches sit a year between jobs for more money or prestige. If they leave because their parents are ill, so be it. If they leave just because they feel like it, so be it. Wanna stop it? Sign them to contracts that actually monetarily compensate them for their time and efforts. As long as each school is providing the same “compensation,” why shouldn’t the player get to choose where they go?
GW Men's Hoops » Huggins » 7/11/2023 2:04 pm - danjsport
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Gwmayhem wrote:
I understand a lot of things, particularly as I get older.
Everyone would like to leave on their own terms.
Many individuals do not look forward to retirement. They fret over how they will occupy their time.
We all have egos; some far larger than others.
Whether this is interesting or not, what I do know is that this is sad. As in incredibly pathetic. I suppose you can argue that anyone with multiple drunk driving incidents who also very knowingly made homophobic remarks while making a radio appearance may certainly be lacking self-respect, but to the extent that he has any, he should end this legal campaign to get his job back right now. Am willing to guess that he does not know any better largely due to all of the enablers and WVU friends and fans in his life who have never stood up to him in the past about anything. Huggins is that not so rare combination of part bully and part a-hole. His time is more than up. Changing attorneys while blatantly lying about his own recent resignation in a last ditch effort to get his job back would be beneath almost everyone out there. And his (interim) replacement, Josh Eilert, who has been on staff for the past 16 years? You're attempting to take away his opportunity as well.I'm never going to be one to defend somebody for making homophobic remarks. But I think the numerous drunk driving incidents and current stint in rehab may make it less than obvious that he "very knowingly made homophobic remarks." He may have drunkenly made these remarks because it seems like he sure has an alcohol problem. None of this should be condoned. Sober, drunk, or anything in between. But I suspect a lot of this is triggered through addiction concerns.
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All that said, the sense of entitlement to ask for your job back--rather than simply asking for money. It's completely bonkers
GW Men's Hoops » GW New Moniker Discussion » 5/24/2023 1:24 pm - danjsport
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Mostly disappointed they couldn't be bothered to have a logo at the ready. If they are going to change names, I'd at least like to be able to buy some new stuff.
GW Men's Hoops » Huggins » 5/12/2023 9:38 am - danjsport
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1. The difference we have here is that you seem to disregard that Huggins being white had anything to do his being in a position of being a HC at a major university, people kissing his ass, and making a lot of money. I'm suggesting that if he were black and as big an asshole as he's been, he would not be in this position in the first place. Bigots DO come in all colors, shapes, and sizes. Bigots willing to get on radio and television and make those statements tend to be white...
2. Again, the disconnect is you're trying to connect it to the action. I'm trying to say the money should never have been given to Huggins in the first place. He'll be fine with 1M less. AND that money could have been given to players. 66k a year. For 15 players. Of course, NCAA's dumb rules don't let this happen. Of course, taxpayer dollars are at play and heaven forbid the West Virginia taxpayers should pay the people that are providing their entertainment. Instead, they pay Huggins...