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1/30/2024 9:27 am  #301


Re: James Bishop IV

It should not go without noting that tonight will be Bishop's 100th game as a Colonial/Rev. In his 99 games, he has scored 1875 points, which is just below 19 ppg, which is 7th all time for a GW men's BB player (just behind Chris Monroe, at 19.1 ppg). Bishop needs 42 points to pass Mike Brown for 3rd on GW's all time scoring list. He will likely achieve this at home against Loyola Chicago, although there is a chance he will do it in GW's next game, again at home, versus URI. Bishop does not seem to have a shot at passing Joe Holdup or Chris Monroe, so he will almost certainly end his career in 3rd place.

My biggest regret for Bishop is that he never got a chance to play in a postseason game. I know it was a long shot, but I was hoping after our good start that maybe he could do it this year, at least in the NIT. After the last three games, this looks very unlikely, unless they can somehow get hot in the A10 Tournament. So tonight's game, against the No. 21 ranked Dayton Flyers, is likely Bishop's last shot to get a signature win against a great team. ESPN gives us a 4.2% chance to win. I'm not hopeful, but I at least hope we can keep it close and that Bishop has a great game.

Last edited by DC Native (1/30/2024 9:30 am)

 

1/30/2024 10:03 am  #302


Re: James Bishop IV

DC Native wrote:

My biggest regret for Bishop is that he never got a chance to play in a postseason game.

Neither did Chris Monroe, Mike Brown, or #5 Pat Tallent.  Joe Holup played in one:  His last college game in a loss to recent conference rival NC State.

The lesson is to not score too many points???
 

 

2/09/2024 10:45 am  #303


Re: James Bishop IV

James need 23 points tomorrow to pass Mike Brown for #3 on GW's all time scoring list. It's been a tough stretch for him, but if he is able to get back to form, there is a fairly good chance he can get there. I for one hope he is able to reach this important milestone at home. If not, I will be in Fairfax on Tuesday, so I imagine I'll get to see him do it anyway. Good luck James!!!

 

2/09/2024 11:17 am  #304


Re: James Bishop IV

Brownie was a good guy. Lived in Calhoun where a lot of the team  was housed at the time. He and Troy Webster were a good duo.  .

 

2/09/2024 11:44 am  #305


Re: James Bishop IV

Alum1 wrote:

Brownie was a good guy. Lived in Calhoun where a lot of the team was housed at the time. He and Troy Webster were a good duo. .

Wish I could have seen him play, but I missed him by just a few years... While Joe Holup is GW's best men's college player (still one of only two players to score 2000 points and grab 2000 rebounds in college), in my opinion, Mike Brown is GW's most successful player in the NBA. 11 seasons, 3,130 points, and 2,762 rebounds. It is quite an achievement for Bishop to pass him.

 

2/20/2024 10:13 am  #306


Re: James Bishop IV

For as much as the hope was that JB would become a more well-rounded player and leader of a winning team this season, these opportunities are slipping away.  None of this is to disparage what JB does so well.  He has had games, including some played this season, where he has been unstoppable on offense and seemingly willed the team to victories.  It's uncomfortable to think about what life will be like starting next season, when this source of practically automatic points at times is no longer playing in a GW uniform.  Will one player step up?  Will several?  Will any?

JB is such a prolific scorer and playmaker that there's really no choice but to play him a ton of minutes, warts and all.  One hope was to turn JB into a better defender which in turn would inspire his teammates to follow suit.  I think what has happened is that JB has become a more willing defender at times and he has subsequently made more plays with his hands than ever before.  However, when it comes to playing your man, positional defense, knowing what to do on switches, etc., JB's skills are limited.  (FYI...he's far from alone in this regard.  Aside from Jacoi, I am hard pressed to think of another GW defender who possesses both the speed and agility to play effective defense coupled with the smarts in knowing how to do so.  My sense is that being at IMG Academy, both from a coaching perspective as well as a "better competition" perspective, has much to do with this.)

Playing at a fast tempo that enabled the team to score 80+ a game worked against the inferior offenses we often faced in the OOC, but not against A10 competition.  GW's defense ranked in the top 150 entering conference play but today sits at #318 against A10 opponents.  The team's defense was likely never perceived as a serious issue in November, December, and yes, in early January.  When your 14-3, it's hard to convince players that they are going to NEED to get much better at something like defense. 

So if you're still of the mindset that the OOC schedule had zero effect on the team's current 8 game losing streak, think again.  There was no urgency to learn how to become a better defensive team and this is lack of urgency has caught up with the team.
 

 

2/20/2024 11:18 am  #307


Re: James Bishop IV

Gwmayhem wrote:

So if you're still of the mindset that the OOC schedule had zero effect on the team's current 8 game losing streak, think again.  There was no urgency to learn how to become a better defensive team and this is lack of urgency has caught up with the team.
 

I'm sorry I just fail to see how an OOC schedule can influence defensive intensity that much.

JB has been in the A-10 for 4 years.  Max for 1 year.  Stretch was in the SEC for 4 years.  DBJ was practicing with an ACC team for a year.  The coaching staff had all been here for at least a year and have multiple years of experience in college basketball.  It's no mystery to them what good defense looks like at the college level and what sort of defensive effort is needed to win conference games vs. OOC games against sub-250 KP teams. I'd have to go back and watch some of the post-game press conferences, but I don't think CC was out there pretending that the defense was any good or telling the team they had nothing to improve upon.  If anything, he was constantly saying that the Stonehill game was an aberration. 

The mistakes we're making on defense are the same ones we made against low level teams in the OOC.  It's just our offense can no longer bail us out like it used to.  So, I don't think the coaching staff was lacking in film to show to the team what they were doing wrong.  Also, we've gotten our brains beaten in for 8 straight games.  Not sure what else we need for "urgency" than that and yet we're still playing lazy on defense.  I don't think a harder OOC would've fundamentally made us better defenders.

It seems as though there's a sentiment here that the team should've been punished more in the OOC; that winning 11 games against mostly cupcakes is not "fair" or a true reflection of the team in some sense.  If the team were 10-15 right now instead of 14-11, would the fanbase feel better because the team got what it deserved?  We're already worse in KenPom than where we started the year.  Not sure what else people want.

 

2/20/2024 11:30 am  #308


Re: James Bishop IV

GW0509 wrote:

Gwmayhem wrote:

So if you're still of the mindset that the OOC schedule had zero effect on the team's current 8 game losing streak, think again.  There was no urgency to learn how to become a better defensive team and this is lack of urgency has caught up with the team.
 

I'm sorry I just fail to see how an OOC schedule can influence defensive intensity that much.

JB has been in the A-10 for 4 years.  Max for 1 year.  Stretch was in the SEC for 4 years.  DBJ was practicing with an ACC team for a year.  The coaching staff had all been here for at least a year and have multiple years of experience in college basketball.  It's no mystery to them what good defense looks like at the college level and what sort of defensive effort is needed to win conference games vs. OOC games against sub-250 KP teams. I'd have to go back and watch some of the post-game press conferences, but I don't think CC was out there pretending that the defense was any good or telling the team they had nothing to improve upon.  If anything, he was constantly saying that the Stonehill game was an aberration. 

The mistakes we're making on defense are the same ones we made against low level teams in the OOC.  It's just our offense can no longer bail us out like it used to.  So, I don't think the coaching staff was lacking in film to show to the team what they were doing wrong.  Also, we've gotten our brains beaten in for 8 straight games.  Not sure what else we need for "urgency" than that and yet we're still playing lazy on defense.  I don't think a harder OOC would've fundamentally made us better defenders.

It seems as though there's a sentiment here that the team should've been punished more in the OOC; that winning 11 games against mostly cupcakes is not "fair" or a true reflection of the team in some sense.  If the team were 10-15 right now instead of 14-11, would the fanbase feel better because the team got what it deserved?  We're already worse in KenPom than where we started the year.  Not sure what else people want.

Couldn't agree more with this.

 

2/20/2024 12:19 pm  #309


Re: James Bishop IV

GW0509, am not at all suggesting that CC or his staff did not prioritize defense or for that matter, did not try to create some urgency about playing better defense.  You have to remember that we're talking about 18-23 year olds for the most part.  At 11-2, it's very hard to convince them that they are playing poorly in certain aspects of the game.  They don't look at their performances against W&M, Navy, Alcorn State or UMES as warning signs.  They look at them as wins.

My position has absolutely nothing to do with what would have made the fan base happier.  If as you say we are still playing lazy on defense, it's because this team was never able not to do this to begin with.  The bad habits piled up along with the wins.  You can absolutely make a case that this is just a bad defensive team and was going to be just that irrespective of who we played in November and December.  I understand this point, but my counterargument is that with a few more losses against higher quality teams in the OOC, maybe the team makes a greater commitment to defense based on the fact that they are not winning almost every game they play.  Again, don't lose sight of the fact that these are 18-23 year olds.  That does have some importance here.
 

 

2/20/2024 1:40 pm  #310


Re: James Bishop IV

Gwmayhem wrote:

GW0509, am not at all suggesting that CC or his staff did not prioritize defense or for that matter, did not try to create some urgency about playing better defense.  You have to remember that we're talking about 18-23 year olds for the most part.  At 11-2, it's very hard to convince them that they are playing poorly in certain aspects of the game.  They don't look at their performances against W&M, Navy, Alcorn State or UMES as warning signs.  They look at them as wins.

If any wins gave the players a false sense of superiority, such that they tuned out coaching, it's more likely the 3 against VCU, Davidson, and Mason, than any of the 11 from OOC.  

Also, *whispers*, it's actually our offense that is sneaky bad.  Last year we were 3rd in the conference in eFG% and so far this year we're 14th.  Our 2P% has gone from 1st to 13th.  Our season-long defensive efficiency is actually better so far this year than last.

I'm sure playing from behind affects our shot selection somewhat, but we are clearly missing Adams, Lindo, and Dean taking high quality shots close in near the basket.  I think there is some truth in CC putting this struggle on the team's youth and inexperience (but that gets to DMVPiranha's point about CC not recruiting enough vets in the portal).  

 

2/20/2024 2:05 pm  #311


Re: James Bishop IV

I think GW0509 is making the case about defense and OOC schedule persuasively so I'll leave that part alone.

However, I do want to address the point about not signing enough veterans in the portal this past offseason.. It takes NIL money/opportunities to attract quality veterans because they are in higher demand. GW had very little money a year ago for NIL. So it's hard to fault CC for this when he had one hand tied behind his back. This year I am happy to report that GW should be in a better position when it comes to NIL opportunities for transfers. We will still lose to most of the P5 schools based on NIL opportunities but should now be competitive with everyone else which is all you can ask. But this is a year to year thing and if GW is unable to continuously raise NIL money at the current pace (and plus) EVERY year, we will again be behind the eight ball. So if you all want to really affect things, instead of complaining here, give $$$$ to NIL.

 

2/20/2024 5:10 pm  #312


Re: James Bishop IV

I can’t believe I’m saying this-I believe I’m done with GW Basketball-and college ball in general.
I’ve followed Bball since I was a child in Philly in the 50’s.The Big Five was my focus-but I was in love with the 
game-and some players were my heroes.The game has changed so much since then-as has the world-but in most cases I’ve adjusted -as we all must.However,I’ve come to the conclusion that with the NIL nonsense 
college sports for me has become a bridge too far.I’ll dip into the board on occasion-but the thrill is gone-
and I really don’t care anymore how the team is doing.I wish them well.

 

2/20/2024 5:17 pm  #313


Re: James Bishop IV

I forgot to mention how much I’ve enjoyed being part of this community.Some really fine people on the 
Board.I’ve been impressed with the knowledge imparted here.I’ve learned so much about the game from all of you.Special shout outs to LSF-Mayhem-Rising and of course,the master-DMVpiranha.

 

2/21/2024 10:19 am  #314


Re: James Bishop IV

Thank you for the nice words GW69.  It would be a shame to see you leave as your insightful commentary has also been invaluable here, and we can use more, not less, posters on this site.  Hopefully, you will reconsider.

Don't wish to drag this discussion on much longer but I will say that for all the talk about how inexperienced we were coming into the season, in a year where there were zero expectations to qualify for the Dance or even the NIT, that is all the more reason why it would have behooved this team to test itself more in November/December.  I am talking about trading 2-3 cupcakes for better quality games, not a complete overhaul of the schedule.  This is the needed "experience" that our younger players could have truly benefited from, not yet another game against Coppin State or UMES.

I do not disagree with GW0509's points regarding the offense having dropped off during conference play.  However, this team never truly learned how to play team defense throughout the entire season.  And, it's very hard to impress upon a young, inexperienced team that they have got to improve their defense when that young, inexperienced team is 11-2, irrespective of who they played.
 

 

2/21/2024 11:53 am  #315


Re: James Bishop IV

It has been 5 weeks since our last win and we’re all trying to figure out why: weak OOC schedule? maybe.  Inexperience? maybe.  Roster construction? maybe. Poor coaching? maybe.

Tom Izzo says he would play anybody anywhere anytime.  He has a developmental plan that extends from Nov to March with his team peaking for tourney time.  Yes not apples to apples but one coaching philosophy.

From biddy basketball in grade school to big boy D1 there has always been 2 sides to the game.  Defensive skills are never ignored.  Most players enjoy the offensive side way more because it gets rewarded with accolades.  Not so on D.  D is hard work and under appreciated.  Very few pros are labeled lockdown defenders so why bother?

We don’t have a lot of foot speed.  We get beat off the dribble, get picked off to oblivion, get beat in transition, and only when the rainbow 3’s fall 35% of the time do we show any signs of life. 

I’ve watched Miami a bit lately to seek any similarities to our team.  They seem to take many 3’s early in the shot clock just like us.  But they bust their tails on D and on the boards.

Just curious when a whole new starting 5 is tried.  What have we got to lose?  Something went wrong 5 weeks ago that hasn’t been remedied.

Let’s go Revs!!!

 

2/21/2024 12:51 pm  #316


Re: James Bishop IV

You may see 3 new starters tonight due to injuries. Could be a very long night with a very short bench.

 

2/21/2024 2:48 pm  #317


Re: James Bishop IV

Hope the injuries aren’t serious.
Let’s see if anyone steps up and shines.

 

2/21/2024 2:55 pm  #318


Re: James Bishop IV

Who are the 3? If it's Garrett and Jun, who is the 3rd, unless related to James' nasty spill at the meaningless
end of last game?
    This could perhaps call into question tightening the rotation early against a powder puff schedule.

 

2/21/2024 3:17 pm  #319


Re: James Bishop IV

Interestingly, as of Dec. 21, GW was in the top 20 in the country in defensive FG %.  Today, we are 114th which sounds better than I would have thought but is obviously helped by the OOC opponents that helped land us in the Top 20. 

 

2/21/2024 3:23 pm  #320


Re: James Bishop IV

Garrett, jun, and Max is nicked up.

 

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