I agree he is "recruiting for his career now." Next he will have to be coaching for his career. So far at GW he hasn't been able to bring a team together and have it improve over the course of a season. And he when the season starts it seems as if he has misjudged his talent and the lineup that starts the season can't grow together because the lineup changes. (See Potter last season and Nelson this season.) JC still needs to show us that players can improve under his leadership and that he can develop a team that works together.  Maybe part of the problem is that he doesn't know what he wants. He talks about what he wants his team to do, but when they play they seem to do things differently than he said they would.  And then there's "mayhem." Like another poster asked, "what is mayhem?" JC talked about his team having "mayhem," but the only "mayhem" seems to be the turbulence on the roster.  Does anyone know what JC means by "mayhem."  I thought it was supposed to be like VCU's havoc. Well, so far there's no resemblance to VCU basketball at GW basketball. 

GWRising wrote:

Like most things concerning GW basketball, there is always a huge overreaction. Let's really be honest here. Only one player (Battle) who has left since JC arrived was going to be part of any type of rotation that would lead us to an A-10 championship. Which player that has left has transferred up? Jamison may the be the first but that remains to be seen. So if JC can now bring in 3 players to replace those who have departed and who in the aggregate are better than those that left, is it really that devastating? 

I don't think any of you realize how hard this season was on all of the players not just at GW but everywhere. This has led to plenty of angst. For a kid like Jamison who was over 1,000 miles away from home, I'd imagine this weighed heavily on him. There is no evidence that JC wanted Jamison to leave or told him to leave. This was likely in whole or in part a non-basketball decision to find a school closer to home where his family could see him play more regularly. The fact that he put up a good season would make that option easier. I would suggest to you that there was probably nothing JC could have done differently about this one and I would also tell he did everything in his power to get Jamison to understand that he was a key part of the program. And I would further tell you this was not a Bishop issue just to put that nonsense to rest.

I like Jamison and thought he had a great future here. I respect him for waiting until the end of the season when there was some knowledge that there were some concerns earlier. He did things the right way and I wish him the best of luck at his next stop.

I am also certain that JC will go out and find us some talented players to replace those who left. You can wring your hands if you'd like but no championships were won or lost today.

The team's best (or second best) player just left.  Maybe it has nothing to do with "basketball" or even the coach.  But one of the team's top two scoring options just left, and one of the team's clear building blocks is gone.  I'm not sure what kind of reaction you'd expect from that news.  I also think it's disingenuous to say that just one of  players that has left would be important for a good run.  I think JNJ would have been helpful, even if not the star.  As I've continued to say, I just feel like the program is rudderless.  It's great that there is a backup plan.  And maybe even a second backup plan.  That's important.  but I don't see a first plan being implemented--or at least I don't understand it.

It will be great if JC can replace the players that left with better players.  It will be great if there is a core of players that can succeed and grow.  It will be great if JC can retain players.  I don't think any of us doubt how hard this has been on these guys (and some have suggested they not play at all to avoid these hardships).  But don't make this out to be a non-issue.  Losing the best player on a team (or second best player) will always be a huge deal.

danjsport wrote:

GWRising wrote:

Like most things concerning GW basketball, there is always a huge overreaction. Let's really be honest here. Only one player (Battle) who has left since JC arrived was going to be part of any type of rotation that would lead us to an A-10 championship. Which player that has left has transferred up? Jamison may the be the first but that remains to be seen. So if JC can now bring in 3 players to replace those who have departed and who in the aggregate are better than those that left, is it really that devastating? 

I don't think any of you realize how hard this season was on all of the players not just at GW but everywhere. This has led to plenty of angst. For a kid like Jamison who was over 1,000 miles away from home, I'd imagine this weighed heavily on him. There is no evidence that JC wanted Jamison to leave or told him to leave. This was likely in whole or in part a non-basketball decision to find a school closer to home where his family could see him play more regularly. The fact that he put up a good season would make that option easier. I would suggest to you that there was probably nothing JC could have done differently about this one and I would also tell he did everything in his power to get Jamison to understand that he was a key part of the program. And I would further tell you this was not a Bishop issue just to put that nonsense to rest.

I like Jamison and thought he had a great future here. I respect him for waiting until the end of the season when there was some knowledge that there were some concerns earlier. He did things the right way and I wish him the best of luck at his next stop.

I am also certain that JC will go out and find us some talented players to replace those who left. You can wring your hands if you'd like but no championships were won or lost today.

The team's best (or second best) player just left.  Maybe it has nothing to do with "basketball" or even the coach.  But one of the team's top two scoring options just left, and one of the team's clear building blocks is gone.  I'm not sure what kind of reaction you'd expect from that news.  I also think it's disingenuous to say that just one of  players that has left would be important for a good run.  I think JNJ would have been helpful, even if not the star.  As I've continued to say, I just feel like the program is rudderless.  It's great that there is a backup plan.  And maybe even a second backup plan.  That's important.  but I don't see a first plan being implemented--or at least I don't understand it.

It will be great if JC can replace the players that left with better players.  It will be great if there is a core of players that can succeed and grow.  It will be great if JC can retain players.  I don't think any of us doubt how hard this has been on these guys (and some have suggested they not play at all to avoid these hardships).  But don't make this out to be a non-issue.  Losing the best player on a team (or second best player) will always be a huge deal.

I hope you realize there is a wide gap between something being a big deal and an overreaction. Something can be a big deal but still cause an overreaction. Yes, it is not a good development that Battle left. It is also not the end of the world either. As good a shooter as Battle was, he was not all-league player. Nor was he a great defender or rebounder. Certainly not a great ball handler or passer as his career 29 assists to 68 turnovers suggests. The point is not to criticize Jamison because I would certainly rather have him than not. The point is MJ or LeBron didn't just leave the building. Jamison can be replaced like most players. Maybe the next guy isn't a better shooter but might be better in the other areas and help make us a better team.

What I find most humorous about this thread in general is that we are 5-12 and everyone is complaining that we are not good enough but then every player that leaves is indispensable (I'm not talking just about Battle but we were told the same thing when Maceo and JNJ left). The fact of the matter is we got better after their departures. Who is to say that won't happen following these transfers? .

Last edited by GWRising (3/08/2021 2:28 pm)

FYI...my post was before I read the most recent by GWRising.  I hope I am not starting to think like him.

GWRising wrote:

danjsport wrote:

GWRising wrote:

Like most things concerning GW basketball, there is always a huge overreaction. Let's really be honest here. Only one player (Battle) who has left since JC arrived was going to be part of any type of rotation that would lead us to an A-10 championship. Which player that has left has transferred up? Jamison may the be the first but that remains to be seen. So if JC can now bring in 3 players to replace those who have departed and who in the aggregate are better than those that left, is it really that devastating? 

I don't think any of you realize how hard this season was on all of the players not just at GW but everywhere. This has led to plenty of angst. For a kid like Jamison who was over 1,000 miles away from home, I'd imagine this weighed heavily on him. There is no evidence that JC wanted Jamison to leave or told him to leave. This was likely in whole or in part a non-basketball decision to find a school closer to home where his family could see him play more regularly. The fact that he put up a good season would make that option easier. I would suggest to you that there was probably nothing JC could have done differently about this one and I would also tell he did everything in his power to get Jamison to understand that he was a key part of the program. And I would further tell you this was not a Bishop issue just to put that nonsense to rest.

I like Jamison and thought he had a great future here. I respect him for waiting until the end of the season when there was some knowledge that there were some concerns earlier. He did things the right way and I wish him the best of luck at his next stop.

I am also certain that JC will go out and find us some talented players to replace those who left. You can wring your hands if you'd like but no championships were won or lost today.

The team's best (or second best) player just left.  Maybe it has nothing to do with "basketball" or even the coach.  But one of the team's top two scoring options just left, and one of the team's clear building blocks is gone.  I'm not sure what kind of reaction you'd expect from that news.  I also think it's disingenuous to say that just one of  players that has left would be important for a good run.  I think JNJ would have been helpful, even if not the star.  As I've continued to say, I just feel like the program is rudderless.  It's great that there is a backup plan.  And maybe even a second backup plan.  That's important.  but I don't see a first plan being implemented--or at least I don't understand it.

It will be great if JC can replace the players that left with better players.  It will be great if there is a core of players that can succeed and grow.  It will be great if JC can retain players.  I don't think any of us doubt how hard this has been on these guys (and some have suggested they not play at all to avoid these hardships).  But don't make this out to be a non-issue.  Losing the best player on a team (or second best player) will always be a huge deal.

I hope you realize there is a wide gap between something being a big deal and an overreaction. Something can be a big deal but still cause an overreaction. Yes, it is not a good development that Battle left. It is also not the end of the world either. As good a shooter as Battle was, he was not all-league player. Nor was he a great defender or rebounder. Certainly not a great ball handler or passer as his career 29 assists to 68 turnovers suggests. The point is not to criticize Jamison because I would certainly rather have him than not. The point is MJ or LeBron didn't just leave the building. Jamison can be replaced like most players. Maybe the next guy isn't a better shooter but might be better in the other areas and help make us a better team.

What I find most humorous about this thread in general is that we are 5-12 and everyone is complaining that we are not good enough but then every player that leaves is indispensable (I'm not talking just about Battle but we were told the same thing when Maceo and JNJ left). The fact of the matter is we got better after their departures. Who is to say that won't happen following these transfers? .

Yes, Jamison was not MJ or Lebron.  Neither is any other player on GW's roster.  No player is Hall, or Pinnock, or Carl, or Pops, or McDonald, or KevLar, or Pato, or Yuta either.  The roster has plenty of room to improve.  Maybe things work out and we improve as a team.  That would be great.  I'll be as thrilled as everyone.   Did the team need to lose Jamison to add another top 100-150 talent?  Couldn't they have kept both?  

Maybe the picture internally is actually more rosy.  I don't really care that Paar left (though I wish him well).  I don't think Maceo would have made this team better long term, since he was leaving (though I wish him well).  I think the issue I have is that I have no sense of what the plan is.  

Battle will be missed, and after last year's performance, I was hoping Paar's soph year was a result of COVID.  Best of luck to both of them.  

Just tweeted out by Jameer Nelson Sr. I have no idea if this is related to any of the GW transfers. Could be completely unrelated for all I know.

https://twitter.com/jameernelson/status/1369032139841343488

So far the JC coaching era has been bad.  Maybe recruiting has been ok but the in game coaching is not there. And It is not good to lose one of your best players. Good PR, but terrible on the court results. Now off the court results are bad too.  That's just the reality of GW hoops today. 

Honest statement and classy on JC's part to make it.

Now, go be better.

For 2  years I heard what a nice touch Chase Paar had from beyond the three point line.  Then, on the final game of his GW career, he made his one and only three.  Guess he figured he had nothing else to prove, so its off to Delaware (or a comparable program) for him.