GWRising, a few things for you today.

1) I'm not sure anyone is arguing why so many players are transferring out at GW and no place else.  The people who post here are generally knowledgeable about the sport.  We understand that the ability to transfer for the first time without sitting out a year (and perhaps those who are transferring for the second time or more being able to do so as well) has opened the transfer floodgates.  Each time you discuss this, you are choosing to ignore the fact that this roster has now been entirely turned over in the span of less than two years.  That is rare regardless of how many players are opting to transfer.  And to those who care about such things, it's not a particularly good look for the program.

2) I don't recall Karl Hobbs or Mike Lonergan ever saying that their plan was working after completing their second seasons.  Among my biggest criticisms of JC right now isn't the number of transfers.  It's his belief, or song and dance, that things are progressing very well with this program when the on-court evidence would not exactly suggest this.  Even if you are thrilled with who he is bringing in, his ability to be an even average game coach over these first two years at GW should be rightfully questioned.  That said, I did admire his statement yesterday, but it's admittedly challenging to reconcile "the plan is working" with "I need to be better" coming from the same person.

3) Not trying to get you bent out of shape but your condescending tone towards others here does not help your cause.  You say things that I'd love to turn out to be correct, but the manner in which you say them almost has me rooting against you.  You don't need to write things like "the GW fan knows so much that isn't so."  You should really understand that the GW fan has just witnessed the program's fifth consecutive year of futility (and yes, I consider a 20 win team with Tyler and Yuta that flamed out of the CBI to be a disappointment) and yesterday, watched one of it's most productive and promising players leave the program.  Forgive us if we aren't exactly feeling like we should be overly optimistic about the near future.  Maybe we should n reality, and I definitely hope we should feel optimism, but right now, most fans feel like they have been kicked in the stomach yet again.  Perhaps you can keep this in mind the next time you're tempted to launch insults at people who genuinely care about this program.

 

Dude - two things can be true at once ... we should not have fired Mike Lonergan and Jamion Christian will be fine.

I posted for many years on Herve's board under a different name, and have posted a couple of times here.  I will admit to have essentially giving up on the team under Maurice Joseph, and I have never really returned.  I hate thinking of myself as a fair weathered fan, but I just couldn't keep watching the program going downhill.  It was just too hard to watch.  I imagine a lot of others like me gave up a while ago too.

I don't even know much about what transpired this season.  So I just come at it from the day that Mike Lonergan and Pat Nero were fired to this day.  Since that time this program has been an unmitigated disaster.  I have never seen GW basketball in this bad of shape.  And I am going to go ahead and include the John Kuester days when I say that.

Given the recent transfers I would say that GW should try to get a new coach, if that's possible.  Just see if there is a decent assistant coach in a top 30-40 program who wants a head coaching gig somewhere.  JC is not getting it done.  The record is not going to improve to a winning one next year, so that will be 3 years, and it is likeley that JC will be out the door then.  So let's cut to the chase and move on now.  

This program is at Fordham's level, and the school may not even have the $ to make a move.  But if it can be done, do it.  Get an assistant who is currently learning under a good coach in a BCS level program and just try to make it work.  Otherwise there will be another lost season next year, more transfers etc.  This disaster that will go on further.   I was hoping JC would work out.  But he hasn't.  And I don't see anything to change that.  Battle leaving is just the last straw to prove it.

I never took sides in the Lonergan/Nero nightmare.  I will only say that those events ruined this program, and it has yet to come back.  GW as a school is struggling, but someone in the admin needs to get creative and help this program.  I imagine the AD and the LeBlanc are feeling their jobs are on the line too.





 

Gwmayhem wrote:

GWRising, a few things for you today.

1) I'm not sure anyone is arguing why so many players are transferring out at GW and no place else.  The people who post here are generally knowledgeable about the sport.  We understand that the ability to transfer for the first time without sitting out a year (and perhaps those who are transferring for the second time or more being able to do so as well) has opened the transfer floodgates.  Each time you discuss this, you are choosing to ignore the fact that this roster has now been entirely turned over in the span of less than two years.  That is rare regardless of how many players are opting to transfer.  And to those who care about such things, it's not a particularly good look for the program.

2) I don't recall Karl Hobbs or Mike Lonergan ever saying that their plan was working after completing their second seasons.  Among my biggest criticisms of JC right now isn't the number of transfers.  It's his belief, or song and dance, that things are progressing very well with this program when the on-court evidence would not exactly suggest this.  Even if you are thrilled with who he is bringing in, his ability to be an even average game coach over these first two years at GW should be rightfully questioned.  That said, I did admire his statement yesterday, but it's admittedly challenging to reconcile "the plan is working" with "I need to be better" coming from the same person.

3) Not trying to get you bent out of shape but your condescending tone towards others here does not help your cause.  You say things that I'd love to turn out to be correct, but the manner in which you say them almost has me rooting against you.  You don't need to write things like "the GW fan knows so much that isn't so."  You should really understand that the GW fan has just witnessed the program's fifth consecutive year of futility (and yes, I consider a 20 win team with Tyler and Yuta that flamed out of the CBI to be a disappointment) and yesterday, watched one of it's most productive and promising players leave the program.  Forgive us if we aren't exactly feeling like we should be overly optimistic about the near future.  Maybe we should n reality, and I definitely hope we should feel optimism, but right now, most fans feel like they have been kicked in the stomach yet again.  Perhaps you can keep this in mind the next time you're tempted to launch insults at people who genuinely care about this program.

 

 1. So rare that GW's own Joe Dooley did it at East Carolina just 2 years ago changing out 11 players in one year. I'll give you a few other examples in a minute.

2. Like I said to the Dude - 2 things can be true at once. The plan can be working and we still need to be better. How do you know what his or the administration's expectations for where they would be at this time especially in light of COVID? While you claim that you acknowledge COVID was a factor, COVID really screwed up GW this year - more than most. Maybe that was a factor in the record?  While you ultimately are what your record says you are, the fact was that other than one game we were competitive this year. It is not a huge leap of faith to say that we can start translating those games into wins next year.

3. If someone truly cares about this program at a minimum I would expect them not to post things they either know or should know are patently untrue. If one is trying to be the smartest guy in the room with wild theories about how or why certain things are happening without a shred of evidence to support those theories they can expect similar retorts. Maybe they should take to the time to speak with JC before resorting to wild conjecture. We have posters on here now telling recruits they shouldn't trust JC. Some friend of the program. With friends like those ...

Last edited by GWRising (3/09/2021 1:40 pm)

I came to GW in the mid-sixties-There have been VERY few seasons when this whole enterprise hasn’t 
been”a leap of faith”.The question then for me is:Can this old-timer hang in yet again -“trust the process”-
assuming there is one-and lend myself to one more leap of faith.Right now I don’t know.

GWRising wrote:

Gwmayhem wrote:

GWRising, a few things for you today.

1) I'm not sure anyone is arguing why so many players are transferring out at GW and no place else.  The people who post here are generally knowledgeable about the sport.  We understand that the ability to transfer for the first time without sitting out a year (and perhaps those who are transferring for the second time or more being able to do so as well) has opened the transfer floodgates.  Each time you discuss this, you are choosing to ignore the fact that this roster has now been entirely turned over in the span of less than two years.  That is rare regardless of how many players are opting to transfer.  And to those who care about such things, it's not a particularly good look for the program.

2) I don't recall Karl Hobbs or Mike Lonergan ever saying that their plan was working after completing their second seasons.  Among my biggest criticisms of JC right now isn't the number of transfers.  It's his belief, or song and dance, that things are progressing very well with this program when the on-court evidence would not exactly suggest this.  Even if you are thrilled with who he is bringing in, his ability to be an even average game coach over these first two years at GW should be rightfully questioned.  That said, I did admire his statement yesterday, but it's admittedly challenging to reconcile "the plan is working" with "I need to be better" coming from the same person.

3) Not trying to get you bent out of shape but your condescending tone towards others here does not help your cause.  You say things that I'd love to turn out to be correct, but the manner in which you say them almost has me rooting against you.  You don't need to write things like "the GW fan knows so much that isn't so."  You should really understand that the GW fan has just witnessed the program's fifth consecutive year of futility (and yes, I consider a 20 win team with Tyler and Yuta that flamed out of the CBI to be a disappointment) and yesterday, watched one of it's most productive and promising players leave the program.  Forgive us if we aren't exactly feeling like we should be overly optimistic about the near future.  Maybe we should n reality, and I definitely hope we should feel optimism, but right now, most fans feel like they have been kicked in the stomach yet again.  Perhaps you can keep this in mind the next time you're tempted to launch insults at people who genuinely care about this program.

 

 1. So rare that GW's own Joe Dooley did it at East Carolina just 2 years ago changing out 11 players in one year. I'll give you a few other examples in a minute.

2. Like I said to the Dude - 2 things can be true at once. The plan can be working and we still need to be better. How do you know what his or the administration's expectations for where they would be at this time especially in light of COVID? While you claim that you acknowledge COVID was a factor, COVID really screwed up GW this year - more than most. Maybe that was a factor in the record?  While you ultimately are what your record says you are, the fact was that other than one game we were competitive this year. It is not a huge leap of faith to say that we can start translating those games into wins next year.

3. If someone truly cares about this program at a minimum I would expect them not to post things they either know or should know are patently untrue. If one is trying to be the smartest guy in the room with wild theories about how or why certain things are happening without a shred of evidence to support those theories they can expect similar retorts. Maybe they should take to the time to speak with JC before resorting to wild conjecture. We have posters on here now telling recruits they shouldn't trust JC. Some friend of the program. With friends like those ...

JC should do a Q&A with season ticket holders like he did at mid-season.(I was in credibly impressed that he was willing to do that.)  Because no news organization covers GW basketball there is no other way to get information.  So if JC thinks there is misinformation floating around, how about having him address it. 
 

GW73 wrote:

GWRising wrote:

Gwmayhem wrote:

GWRising, a few things for you today.

1) I'm not sure anyone is arguing why so many players are transferring out at GW and no place else.  The people who post here are generally knowledgeable about the sport.  We understand that the ability to transfer for the first time without sitting out a year (and perhaps those who are transferring for the second time or more being able to do so as well) has opened the transfer floodgates.  Each time you discuss this, you are choosing to ignore the fact that this roster has now been entirely turned over in the span of less than two years.  That is rare regardless of how many players are opting to transfer.  And to those who care about such things, it's not a particularly good look for the program.

2) I don't recall Karl Hobbs or Mike Lonergan ever saying that their plan was working after completing their second seasons.  Among my biggest criticisms of JC right now isn't the number of transfers.  It's his belief, or song and dance, that things are progressing very well with this program when the on-court evidence would not exactly suggest this.  Even if you are thrilled with who he is bringing in, his ability to be an even average game coach over these first two years at GW should be rightfully questioned.  That said, I did admire his statement yesterday, but it's admittedly challenging to reconcile "the plan is working" with "I need to be better" coming from the same person.

3) Not trying to get you bent out of shape but your condescending tone towards others here does not help your cause.  You say things that I'd love to turn out to be correct, but the manner in which you say them almost has me rooting against you.  You don't need to write things like "the GW fan knows so much that isn't so."  You should really understand that the GW fan has just witnessed the program's fifth consecutive year of futility (and yes, I consider a 20 win team with Tyler and Yuta that flamed out of the CBI to be a disappointment) and yesterday, watched one of it's most productive and promising players leave the program.  Forgive us if we aren't exactly feeling like we should be overly optimistic about the near future.  Maybe we should n reality, and I definitely hope we should feel optimism, but right now, most fans feel like they have been kicked in the stomach yet again.  Perhaps you can keep this in mind the next time you're tempted to launch insults at people who genuinely care about this program.

 

 1. So rare that GW's own Joe Dooley did it at East Carolina just 2 years ago changing out 11 players in one year. I'll give you a few other examples in a minute.

2. Like I said to the Dude - 2 things can be true at once. The plan can be working and we still need to be better. How do you know what his or the administration's expectations for where they would be at this time especially in light of COVID? While you claim that you acknowledge COVID was a factor, COVID really screwed up GW this year - more than most. Maybe that was a factor in the record?  While you ultimately are what your record says you are, the fact was that other than one game we were competitive this year. It is not a huge leap of faith to say that we can start translating those games into wins next year.

3. If someone truly cares about this program at a minimum I would expect them not to post things they either know or should know are patently untrue. If one is trying to be the smartest guy in the room with wild theories about how or why certain things are happening without a shred of evidence to support those theories they can expect similar retorts. Maybe they should take to the time to speak with JC before resorting to wild conjecture. We have posters on here now telling recruits they shouldn't trust JC. Some friend of the program. With friends like those ...

JC should do a Q&A with season ticket holders like he did at mid-season.(I was in credibly impressed that he was willing to do that.)  Because no news organization covers GW basketball there is no other way to get information.  So if JC thinks there is misinformation floating around, how about having him address it. 
 

I will look into it. But please do understand there is a limit to what he can say about transfers reasons due to student privacy rules. So some questions still may not be answered to everyone's satisfaction because they can't be.

Brian Paul, nobody here cares about your illusions and prior life as Ziik.
If BGF doesn't remove this as being irrelevant/off topic, I have a couple legitimate charitable "GoFundMe" sites I would like to plug.

If I hear that JC has won as many tournament game as GW over the past 25 years, my head is going to explode because it's not true.  He won a First 4 play in game against another potential 16 seed.  That is not the same as winning a game in the actual NCAA tournament.  Do you really think that MSM team could have beat a team like Memphis, Vanderbilt, Duke, UNCW, Georgia Tech, Indiana, or Oklahoma State?  How many GW teams would lose to the powerhouse 16 seed New Orleans?  Less than than you can count on one hand.  This is not a valid comparison, just some axe grinding and quality trolling.  

Gwmayhem -

We lost 9 games in 2019-20 by double digits with many of them over at halftime. This year we lost 5 with only one of them over by halftime. Our scoring margin improved from -4.9 to -4.2.

Nobody is making the case that we are good enough. Even JC says we have to be better. However, to also say  things are trending in the wrong direction is also not correct. The simple fact was we were more competitive. Competitive means we had more games that we had a chance to win. We lost a number of close games early that again are easily flipped with some improvements in the future. The distance this year from 5-12 to say 10-7 was not that great. It was far greater last year.

You are apparently shocked to learn that we collapsed in the second half of games. Did you notice we played the last 5 games in 11 days with Battle playing 185 mins, Bishop 184 and Lindo 177. That is unstainable. 

We had a 35 day break in the middle of the conference season. That is unprecedented and unsustainable.

We lost a double-double guy to COVID for the remainder of the season. Again, unsustainable.

We were playing with 7 and 8 scholarship players at the end of the season. Unsustainable.

You can say those were all excuses but they are also facts. No one has any idea of the role COVID played this year not just in January. You can say everyone faced it but that'[s not entirely true either. Some teams like Kansas never missed a game.

Give JC a roster of his kids without COVID and let's see what happens and let the chips fall where they may. Hopefully, you will get that opportunity in about 8 months.