Free Quebec wrote:

Joel Joseph wrote:

The hits keep on coming.
Byrum's stat is depressing. I had no idea it was that bad.
With Seymour announcing today, I wonder if we will finish out the week with enough players to take the floor?
What is our wonderful AD doing while we sink further into the blackhole? Getting ready for the former AD's wedding?

Sincere request, Joel, I know it’s the main reason you are here, but can you please refrain from fighting the old fights. We have enough current issues to discuss without the score settling.

To call it "score settling" is disingenuous FQ. The fact is we are where we are because we have a clueless AD installed for reasons having nothing to do with basketball success and everything to do with healing the ML-PN imbroglio.
What has TV shown you that makes you believe she is the right person to lead GW athletics? It's simple identity politics, birthed by the ugly fallout of the former regime.
Say what you want about Kvancz (or even PN before he turned into a raging sex predator). They found a way. TV has shown me nothing to indicate she knows how to run a winning D1 athletics program. I'd be interested in what you see that's different, other than the fact, maybe, that our university president once led athletically-inclined Miami.

Look I know this program is paying the price for the PN/Kilgore/Knapp debacle, but Holy Shit! Are we really sniping at each other with all the other garbage going on? And the implosion of the prior board. How about letting stuff go and not getting into a flame war? Walk on by. Don’t feed it. If it really is someone close to former coaches I DONT CARE.

How about talking about NOW?!?! Covid crippled school finances. NBCSN going away. LeBlanc under fire. Current AD leadership. All influenced by the past sure but I’m really tired of this Confederates in the Attic time machine bullshit.

It’s like someone complaining about their ex. They could be in agony but after awhile complaining just wears people out. Pick a new toothache!

Sure hope your recruiting devining rod is accurate FC.
Like everyone says now it’s recruiting and re-recruiting your program.

Remember 13 in 5?  That's how much fun the Post had mentioning that 13 players transferred out of ML's program over a 5 year period.  Turns out, that was nothing.

5 have transferred out this season/off-season ( Battle, Jack, Nelson, Paar, Seymour)

5 have transferred or left before graduation last season/off-season (Mazzula, Offerum, Toro, Walker, and Langarica who I don't believe technically transferred)

4 have transferred prior to being coached by the current staff (S. Brown, Littles, Nolan, DJ Williams)

13 in 5 years is starting to feel like a drop in the bucket.

Gwmayhem wrote:

Remember 13 in 5?  That's how much fun the Post had mentioning that 13 players transferred out of ML's program over a 5 year period.  Turns out, that was nothing.

5 have transferred out this season/off-season ( Battle, Jack, Nelson, Paar, Seymour)

5 have transferred or left before graduation last season/off-season (Mazzula, Offerum, Toro, Walker, and Langarica who I don't believe technically transferred)

4 have transferred prior to being coached by the current staff (S. Brown, Littles, Nolan, DJ Williams)

13 in 5 years is starting to feel like a drop in the bucket.

Before getting too far in the weeds Gwmayhem perhaps you should mention that all but 3 were recruited by someone other than JC. You know context or something. Maybe mention that not one of those players played on a winning team also. 

Last edited by GWRising (3/10/2021 11:23 am)

Well, here's something else.
Even if we recruit blue chip replacements, is this what you want to want to watch? Or for your alma mater?
  In addition to the many bizarre oddities of strategy, playing time, etc. that we have witnessed, do you enjoy watching a team that does nothing for perhaps 25 or more seconds, followed by jocking up some of the most ill-advised inopportune shots possible. Is this a fun style to watch? Meanwhile a great shooting talent doesn't get fed the ball.  
Envying ever other team's ball movement. Even those in divisions much lower than yours, who are kicking your butt at home.
   Players and coaches mysteriously disappearing midseason.
  Having no players from 2 years ago (outside of an injured technicality who didn't play a whole season) on the team. A team with no graduating seniors, so you don't watch them develop long-term, see their families cheer them with pride, applaud them on Senior Day, or see pictures of them in graduation gowns with a degree. 
   We'll never be Duke long term. Right now, we're not even Davidson. Being a fan of college basketball at this level, one should take some pleasure from having a visceral connection with your team.
  The players you proudly saw grow over the years to be a success in business, even become doctors or diligently work their way into the NBA, all while letting us watch them grow as players and people, receiving a GW degree put to use for a successful life beyond basketball.
Is that worth missing? How many eggs do you have to break to make this omelet, and even if it looks beautiful, will it taste bitter?
     If this is the plan, even with success (though by leading us into the cellar, there's really nowhere to go but up now), is it worth the cost to our reputation, standards of treating people and morale?
   Is this turmoil and turnover what you really want from supporting your college team? 
  

Gwmayhem wrote:

Remember 13 in 5?  That's how much fun the Post had mentioning that 13 players transferred out of ML's program over a 5 year period.  Turns out, that was nothing.

5 have transferred out this season/off-season ( Battle, Jack, Nelson, Paar, Seymour)

5 have transferred or left before graduation last season/off-season (Mazzula, Offerum, Toro, Walker, and Langarica who I don't believe technically transferred)

4 have transferred prior to being coached by the current staff (S. Brown, Littles, Nolan, DJ Williams)

13 in 5 years is starting to feel like a drop in the bucket.

100%
 

FQ, you had it right, all very transparent, and very, very lame.


 

jf wrote:

Well, here's something else.
Even if we recruit blue chip replacements, is this what you want to want to watch? Or for your alma mater?
  In addition to the many bizarre oddities of strategy, playing time, etc. that we have witnessed, do you enjoy watching a team that does nothing for perhaps 25 or more seconds, followed by jocking up some of the most ill-advised inopportune shots possible. Is this a fun style to watch? Meanwhile a great shooting talent doesn't get fed the ball.  
Envying ever other team's ball movement. Even those in divisions much lower than yours, who are kicking your butt at home.
   Players and coaches mysteriously disappearing midseason.
  Having no players from 2 years ago (outside of an injured technicality who didn't play a whole season) on the team. A team with no graduating seniors, so you don't watch them develop long-term, see their families cheer them with pride, applaud them on Senior Day, or see pictures of them in graduation gowns with a degree. 
   We'll never be Duke long term. Right now, we're not even Davidson. Being a fan of college basketball at this level, one should take some pleasure from having a visceral connection with your team.
  The players you proudly saw grow over the years to be a success in business, even become doctors or diligently work their way into the NBA, all while letting us watch them grow as players and people, receiving a GW degree put to use for a successful life beyond basketball.
Is that worth missing? How many eggs do you have to break to make this omelet, and even if it looks beautiful, will it taste bitter?
     If this is the plan, even with success (though by leading us into the cellar, there's really nowhere to go but up now), is it worth the cost to our reputation, standards of treating people and morale?
   Is this turmoil and turnover what you really want from supporting your college team? 
  

 This is richer than whipped cream from the guy who suggested on a zoom call that JC force Lindo to play in this era of COVID (with the implication being pull his scholarship if he doesn't want to play). Standards of treating people? Really?

Brian Paul and Joel Joseph, this message is just to the two of you.  Although it really goes for everyone.

Quit the attacks, quit the assumptions, and why the hell can't you people be nice to each other?  Really!

In-season I didn't want to ban anybody.  We needed every fan we had.  Well the season's over.  So, go ahead and respond to me here:  tell me if you would like to be banned for these attacks or tell me you'll be human to each other.

Thanks.