All this player movement does not make college ball anymore fun for me. Even if I understand transferring is the biggest tool the players have to exercise leverage while everyone else gets paid cash and is free to take any job any where.

what's the standard deviation?

GWRising wrote:

Not shocking at all that Battle would wind up in Minnesota. Squares well with the facts - it wasn't Bishop that drove him away but a desire to be closer to home where his family and friends could see him play more easily. Hopefully we can now put the made up narrative to rest.

GWRising, you are priceless.  You are fond of saying that two things can be true at the same time, you just said this referring to players who could have been loved and cared for at GW while also realizing that GW was not the best place/situation for them.  Yet now, because Battle is transferring to play for his home state school, we now can conclude that it wasn't Bishop who drove him away?  How come two things can't be true at the same time in this instance?

By the way, I really don't know whether Bishop's play was a motivating factor or not in Jamison's decision to transfer.  I do know that Jamison developed an almost immediate friendship with JNJ.  The two spoke about how they would jointly lead the program back to prominence.  And that given how JNJ's departure from GW went down, Jamison was not at all pleased by this.  So not only can two things be true at the same time, but so could possibly three or more things.

The point is that we don't know each reason why Jamison left or the weighted values he placed on each reason.  To suggest that because Jamison decided to play closer to home means that it could not have been Bishop's play that in part drove him away simply isn't a necessarily correct conclusion.

Last edited by Gwmayhem (3/31/2021 8:35 am)

Gwmayhem wrote:

GWRising wrote:

Not shocking at all that Battle would wind up in Minnesota. Squares well with the facts - it wasn't Bishop that drove him away but a desire to be closer to home where his family and friends could see him play more easily. Hopefully we can now put the made up narrative to rest.

GWRising, you are priceless.  You are fond of saying that two things can be true at the same time, you just said this referring to players who could have been loved and cared for at GW while also realizing that GW was not the best place/situation for them.  Yet now, because Battle is transferring to play for his home state school, we now can conclude that it wasn't Bishop who drove him away?  How come two things can't be true at the same time in this instance?

By the way, I really don't know whether Bishop's play was a motivating factor or not in Jamison's decision to transfer.  I do know that Jamison developed an almost immediate friendship with JNJ.  The two spoke about how they would jointly lead the program back to prominence.  And that given how JNJ's departure from GW went down, Jamison was not at all pleased by this.  So not only can two things be true at the same time, but so could possibly three or more things.

The point is that we don't know each reason why Jamison left or the weighted values he placed on each reason.  To suggest that because Jamison decided to play closer to home means that it could not have been Bishop's play that in part drove him away simply isn't a necessarily correct conclusion.

I'm priceless? You just assumed facts into evidence.

You may not know why Jamison left. I do. Next.

Great argument.  You do, next.

What you likely know is that Jamison said he was leaving to play closer to home.  Am not questioning the integrity behind that reasoning.  But, it's a politically correct, non-offensive reason to give.  Jamison is not going to spend much time talking publicly about his on-court relationship with James or how he feels JNJ was disrespected.  I only know about his feelings regarding JNJ through a trusted, private source.  Funny that you don't spend  a lot of time refuting this factor like you do with Bishop.

Yes, it's quite possible that he wanted to play closer to home, for a program that gives him a better chance at a more successful professional career, AND that there may have been additional factors as well.  

I am not certain why you refuse to take Jamison at his word, Gwmayhem. I am sure there were multiple factors but by far and away it was a desire to be closer to home. Playing with Bishop was not one. Being coached by JC was not one. Feel free to paint whatever mosaic you would like. At the end of the day everyone is moving on.

Everyone is indeed moving on at the end of the day. Including the entire active scholarship roster from less than 13 months ago.
To paraphrase the song, wouldn't Love Have Kept Us Together?

Rising, what was it about my writing, "Jamison says he is leaving to play closer to home; I do not question the integrity of this statement" that then leads you to write, "I am not certain why you refuse to take Jamison at his word."  This is manipulative and you know it.  

I also see that you've amended your position.  Now it's "there were multiple factors but by far and away it was a desire to be closer to home."  I'm starting to think it's maybe a massive blow to your ego to say this but here it goes, YOU DON"T KNOW THIS.  

I am sure that he stated publicly that playing closer to home was his big reason.  I am sure that he would not publicly shit on his former coach or on one of his former players.  There is such a thing in this world as burning bridges.  He is not going to publicly offend JC for how JNJ went down, or a teammate for not playing to his liking.  There is nothing to be gained by doing this and Jamison is smart enough to know this.

Again, I have no evidence to suggest that he had a problem with James.  I do have knowledge that he was very displeased about JNJ.  You want to refer to that as painting a mosaic simply because you might be unaware about this, knock yourself out.

Gwmayhem wrote:

Rising, what was it about my writing, "Jamison says he is leaving to play closer to home; I do not question the integrity of this statement" that then leads you to write, "I am not certain why you refuse to take Jamison at his word."  This is manipulative and you know it.  

I also see that you've amended your position.  Now it's "there were multiple factors but by far and away it was a desire to be closer to home."  I'm starting to think it's maybe a massive blow to your ego to say this but here it goes, YOU DON"T KNOW THIS.  

I am sure that he stated publicly that playing closer to home was his big reason.  I am sure that he would not publicly shit on his former coach or on one of his former players.  There is such a thing in this world as burning bridges.  He is not going to publicly offend JC for how JNJ went down, or a teammate for not playing to his liking.  There is nothing to be gained by doing this and Jamison is smart enough to know this.

Again, I have no evidence to suggest that he had a problem with James.  I do have knowledge that he was very displeased about JNJ.  You want to refer to that as painting a mosaic simply because you might be unaware about this, knock yourself out.

Not to continue this any longer because it just breathes oxygen into a stupid conversation but you really should read what you write. You say you are taking someone at his word but it's everything that follows that which contradicts that sentiment. Generally, when most people say they are accepting someone at their word, they don't then spend time trying to figure why their word is incomplete or misleading, speculating as to other reasons etc. If they are presented with evidence that contradicts that word then perhaps then they reassess. You admit you do not have evidence of whether James or JC was responsible. So it should be full stop until someone provides that evidence unless of course you don't really mean what you say.

I am well aware of what you speak about regarding JNJ. Jamison was close to JNJ and it stung that he left. It had nothing to do with any disrespect shown to JNJ, it had everything to do with the fact that his closest friend on the team was leaving the school abruptly mid season. I guess others can spin it however they want but Jamison apparently was fine by all accounts once he recovered from the news. Did that factor into him leaving perhaps. But only as a supportive reason to the main theme of being away from home. If you ever talked to Jamison, you would know how much he talked about Minnesota and his love for his hometown. Don't take it from me ask his remaining former teammates. If you could have bet money on such a thing, I would have bet a very large sum that once he decided to transfer, he was headed to University of Minnesota, Marquette or Iowa because all were within about 4 hours of home.

Dayton just landed a pretty big transfer portal name: Georgia Center Toumani Camara.  Talented player who scored in double figures in all but 4 games.  I watched him go for 22 points and 10 boards against LSU. 

No idea why he transferred but that’s the world today.