The Dude wrote:

This has been the best off-season for incoming GW talent in over half a decade.

We hired a proven recruiter in JC.  Mojo was unproven, and ML proved he couldn't recruit after Strickland and Sutton quit.

JC's influx of BCS talent comes as little surprise. Now, the pieces have to gel together.

I hope they make bike helmets your size

The Dude wrote:

There's a year where Strickland and Sutton brought in all those guys they were connected to.  This is the best year since that one

going back a little further Hobbs has back to back offseasons that surpass either of these

Strickland did very little and quit suddenly to be with his family for personal reasons with short notice. Kevin was involved in the recruitment but wasn't even there for Tyler, Yuta, Moe Creek, etc

Porter- respectfully, didn't Hobbs have a recruiting class of Pops, Mike, Omar, and Dokun followed by a year of JR, Ricky Lucas, and Carl Elliot, followed by Reece?

I think those years of recruiting classes were pretty good.

danjsport - You're probably right on the JR, Lucas, and Elliot recruiting class.  That was comparable in recruiting class rankings to the one I mentioned in terms of hype and recruiting rankings.

For the Pops, Hall, Omar class, if I remember correctly Omar was the only highly regarded recruit by the scouting services.  Pops was an under the radar prospect, Hall's only other offer was Princeton I believe and Dokun as a walk on.  That class turned out to be awesome, but I'm talking more about hype before they joined, and not how they turned out.

My point is Dude seems pre-occupied with recruiting rankings and the schools players transferred from as an indicator of future success, and that doesn't necessarily turn out to be true once they actually start playing basketball.

Mojo recruiting far surpassed Lonergan without Strickland and Sutton connections. With Strickland and Sutton, A, without F-.  Mojo, B-/C+  I'd give this offseason, B+.  The best two Hobbs years A and A.

JC is a magnet for talent. Now the players need to mesh together

Last edited by The Dude (7/23/2021 2:14 pm)

Lonergan's post-Strickland/Sutton arguably twelve best recruits:  Yuta, Tyler, Mo Creek, Paulie J., Jordan, Alex Mitola, Collin S., Arnaldo, Jair, Kevin M., Jaren, Patrick S.

MoJo's arguably twelve best recruits:  Justin M., Maceo, Mezzie, Terry, Jameson, Chase, DJ, Bo, Armel, Javier, Shandon, Marcus Littles

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.  My opinion is that this group of Lonergan recruits would beat this group of MoJo recruits let's say 99 out of 100 times.  Probably 100 of 100 but any given day as it is said.

 

The Dude wrote:

Mojo recruiting far surpassed Lonergan without Strickland and Sutton connections. With Strickland and Sutton, A, without F-.  Mojo, B-/C+  I'd give this offseason, B+.  The best two Hobbs years A and A.

JC is a magnet for talent. Now the players need to mesh together

Come on dude, that’s clear trolling. 

Mojo landed Battle and otherwise left GW with its lowest talent level of any outgoing coach probably ever).   In his final year, we were playing Javier Langarica major minutes (who mojo recruited off YouTube videos and one Skype session because he was desperate) and Marcus Littles some.  His recruiting was so bad that people on this board think maceo jack was a great player (even though he couldn’t defend, ball handle, and was only a slightly above average shooter). Our recruiting was so bad that low major players like Justin Mazzula (slow, stiff player who can’t shoot but does enough to be ok on a weak team) and Armel Potter (good offensive player who couldn’t defend and was a classic big stats on bad losing teams guy) were our main guys. 

Granted, every coach has misses (from Rasheed hazzard, Rene Harry, and Matija Debevec to Miles Beatty and Tim Johnson to Matt Cimino and Dan Guest and Justin Williams to Shawn Walker and chase paar).  But those guys are end of bench guys who don’t matter (well, some like cimino were expected to be good).  But what matters is can you field enough good players, and whe you roll out a team with Potter, Mazzula, Jack, Dj Williams, and Langarica, finishing like 250th-300th is inevitable.

MoJo’s  only real recruiting coup was Jameson Battle (much like Keuster recruiting Dirkk Surles for Jarvis or Penders leaving TJ Thompson incoming for Hobbs) and Jameer Nelson might have also been a big hit with a couple more years of hard work.

I don’t know even know why I’m feeding such an obvious troll.  I know this is all about continuing his crusade against Lonergan, but whatever Ml’s flaws he was an excellent recruiter for us and whatever MOJO’s strengths, recruiting wasn’t one of them.  Any discussion otherwise is really a dumb conversation.

Don't remember if Mojo had him in the pipeline,but actually JNJ was signed under JC,who came the previous month. So it was JC's final decision, if not full recruitment.
  Now,JC failed to take advantage of JNJ's  talent and even more potential given his athleticism and pedigree, despite having signed him. Too bad for us. But he did at least sign JNJ.
  On another note,interesting F
-minus grade for the man who brought the only NIT championship (or any other national championship) to GW basketball.

The Dude wrote:

ML was an A with Strickland and Sutton's connections, F without them.  There's an offseason with Strickland and Sutton aboard, that is, 12 month calendar year, which ranks among the finest in GW history.

There's also some of the worst recruiting in recent GW history thereafter.

Still, no one is near the level of player that Hobbs brought in, back to back offseasons.
 

You're insane lol

Correction time.

1) KevLar was a recruit during the time when Strickland and Sutton were at GW.  Since The Dude has made this a discussion about MoJo recruits vs Lonergan "post Strickland/Sutton" recruits, KevLar does not belong in the discussion.

2) JF beat me to it but to address one of FQ's points, I did not leave JNJ off of MoJo's list because he was a clear JC recruit.  He was recruiting him to play for Siena, and after the decision was made to decommit from St. Joe's, JC scooped him up very quickly.

3) BrianPaul writes that the compare and contrast between ML and MoJo is absurd since one was so much more experienced than the other, yet it's the guy he so willingly defends who is adamant that MoJo's recruiting was superior to ML's recruiting, post Strickland/Sutton era.  This of course is a complete contradiction.  Why not just say "Leave The Dude alone even though he happens to be dead wrong about this."

4) FQ writes, "come on dude, that's clear trolling."  Not really a correction; I am just wondering whether any of The Dude's trolling is unclear, to anyone?