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John Feinstein and Joe Lunardi have a bit in common.
They both love college basketball.
They both appear to be fairly schlubby guys (those Feinstein is a competitive swimmer and is in better shape than he appears)
They are both outstanding at what they are primarily known for. (Writing and Bracketology, respectively)
They both have parlayed their love of the game to become college basketball analysts.
Finally, they both stink at being college basketball analysts.
1) They each know very little about what's really happening on the court making it impossible to learn anything meaningful from them.
2) They both have anywhere from weird to awful senses of humor. Making it worse, they both think they are very funny as they appear to amuse themselves with their own banter.
Examples:
Feinstein (after watching a bad shot go in)....."you know, that looks like a bad shot but it's actually a good one. Do you know why that's a good shot?' Wait for it, wait for it...... "It's a good shot because it went in." Hilarious.
Lunardi....references on everything from "I thought Obinna was going to call a fair catch under the basket", to mentioning the chores around his house that he didn't get to because he had to get to Hawk Hill, to nicknaming Bishop and Bamisile the B-Boys while vehemently dismissing the Killer B's which his partner suggested.
Ugh!
Anyway, which is the worse listen?
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They were both bad, but Lunardi was worse for me. In years past, I would have put it on mute and listened to Byron Kerr on the radio, but if GW games are still on the radio, I haven't figured out on what station.
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DC Native wrote:
They were both bad, but Lunardi was worse for me. In years past, I would have put it on mute and listened to Byron Kerr on the radio, but if GW games are still on the radio, I haven't figured out on what station.
I believe WRGW broadcasts the games on the radio, although that may only be home games
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I am just going to respectively have to disagree. Feinstein and Lunardi have forgotten more about college basketball than most people on this board know.
Unlike most of the broadcasters on TV who are afraid to have opinions other than everybody is great and JC's got this program on the rise. Feinstein actually has opinions based on reporting and more than 40 years covering college basketball. You don't have to agree with him, but as he has said about Bishop, for example, -- "he only shoots when his has the ball "-- he isn't afraid to express opinions. On top of that he actually knows something about GW basketball, unlike most of broadcasters who do GW games and often can't even correctly identify which players are in the game. We should be extremely thankful John cares about GW and follows GW. I can't think of another college basketball reporter who is close him in knowledge of GW basketball. In fact, John has been a supporter of GW basketball while criticizing Georgetown for not playing us and promoting the tournament that gave us the opportunity to play Maryland. Go read a few of John's books. He is a hell of a good reporter. He knows his basketball -- especially in the DC area. I will take a reporter who has knowledge of the teams and isn't afraid to express his opinions based on reporting even if he isn't the smoothest broadcaster anytime, rather than play-by-play broadcasters or former players who haven't done any reporting and don't want to be critical of any coaches or players because they are more interested in being their friends or are more interested in how they blow dry their hair.
This is a first GWMayhem, I think I always agree with you, but not this time. How about putting up with John's attempts at humor -- know isn't funny all the time -- be thankful he cares about GW. I have seen him at GW games when he wasn't broadcasting or reporting on the game. I don't know of other broadcasters or reporters who do that. Hell, we have trouble getting people who say they are GW fans to attend games.
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GW73, I was not commenting about Feinstein the author or reporter, or even Feinstein the GW basketball historian. I fully recognize that he has been great towards GW (though I wish he would have done a bit more in response to Kilgore's article, but the same can be said of everyone within the post's sports department). Feinstein brought us into the BB&T tournament and its previous versions, and made sure he kept us in it until Georgetown took over the event. I do not mean to sound ungrateful about any of this when it comes to my post. I was commenting very specifically about Feinstein, the color analyst. This will always boil down to a matter of personal opinion and preference, I do realize. So in my opinion, I find him "on-air" to be a bit full of himself, not at all funny or entertaining, and ill-equipped to explain the true nuances of the sport. There is no doubting that the man has an encyclopedic knowledge of college basketball; I would like to see more of that come out. By the way, I am not basing my opinion on solely last week's VCU game. I've heard John call maybe a dozen games, including CAA games that don't involve GW. Am happy to agree to disagree about his broadcasting skills but when I listen to him announce a game, I find myself cringing at least several times throughout a telecast.
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I agree with Gwmayhem. I truly respect Feinstein as a great reporter, author, and advocate for GW, and I understand he is very knowledgeable about GW, the A10, and college basketball in general. But I think he even admitted (or maybe it was Lunardi) that he is not a professional announcer and just does it on the side for fun. I would much rather hear Byron Kerr announce GW games.
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GW73, I was not commenting about Feinstein the author or reporter, or even Feinstein the GW basketball historian. I fully recognize that he has been great towards GW (though I wish he would have done a bit more in response to Kilgore's article, but the same can be said of everyone within the post's sports department). Feinstein brought us into the BB&T tournament and its previous versions, and made sure he kept us in it until Georgetown took over the event. I do not mean to sound ungrateful about any of this when it comes to my post. I was commenting very specifically about Feinstein, the color analyst. This will always boil down to a matter of personal opinion and preference, I do realize. So in my opinion, I find him "on-air" to be a bit full of himself, not at all funny or entertaining, and ill-equipped to explain the true nuances of the sport. There is no doubting that the man has an encyclopedic knowledge of college basketball; I would like to see more of that come out. By the way, I am not basing my opinion on solely last week's VCU game. I've heard John call maybe a dozen games, including CAA games that don't involve GW. Am happy to agree to disagree about his broadcasting skills but when I listen to him announce a game, I find myself cringing at least several times throughout a telecast.
Thanks. That makes too much sense.
I get frustrated with broadcasters doing GW games who have little knowledge of GW. Too many don't do any homework. Or color guys who barely can say anything more than things such as ... "he needs to take a good shot" ... "he has to make these free throws"... "that was a nice shot" and on and on stating the obvious. Then there is misinformation such as not knowing one GW player from another.
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Just read Feinstein's current book, and it's great. Also have read his other books. And I love the way he rails again the NCAA. But, as an announcer, he never shuts up.
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GW73, to your point, Lunardi also made reference to a number of past GW players, including Mike Brown, Yinka, Yegor, and even Nimbo Hammons. I agree that it's great when analysts can recall a bit about a program's past.
WisconsinColonial2021, fully agree. I've enjoyed most of his books. A Season on the Brink was the sport's "Ball Four" as far as I'm concerned. Wrote a fantastic tennis book, several great golf books, etc. I think I'll also have a bias towards a former player or coach in the analyst's role for that's who I stand to learn the most from.
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Wasn't Feinstein doing it with Chick Hernandez?
Part of it might be doing a meaningless game with two older guys joking and reminiscing on a Monday afternoon in January.
Feinstein knows GW basketball (and knows what happened with ML and could have offered a more full-throated defense of him) and indeed, is one of the few who cares.
Lunardi also knows a bit, but is just plain weird and St. Joe's biased when he doesn't have his NCAA thing (and sometimes when he does). And the inside jokes (was it Lunardo mentioning Nimbo Hammons?) and lack of knowledge of what happened was certainly annoying.
Might have been better with The Hawk on the broadcast.
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Wasn't Feinstein doing it with Chick Hernandez?
Part of it might be doing a meaningless game with two older guys joking and reminiscing on a Monday afternoon in January.
Feinstein knows GW basketball (and knows what happened with ML and could have offered a more full-throated defense of him) and indeed, is one of the few who cares.
Lunardi also knows a bit, but is just plain weird and St. Joe's biased when he doesn't have his NCAA thing (and sometimes when he does). And the inside jokes (was it Lunardo mentioning Nimbo Hammons?) and lack of knowledge of what happened was certainly annoying.
Might have been better with The Hawk on the broadcast.
Didn't know Chick Hernandez had been a manager of GW basketball. That's pretty cool. And yes, Lunardi can be strange, but I wouldn't expect much more from somebody who spends that much time focused on brackets. Although, he gets a few gold stars, as any broadcaster should, for Yinka, Sasha and Nimbo mentions.
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jf wrote:
Wasn't Feinstein doing it with Chick Hernandez?
Part of it might be doing a meaningless game with two older guys joking and reminiscing on a Monday afternoon in January.
Feinstein knows GW basketball (and knows what happened with ML and could have offered a more full-throated defense of him) and indeed, is one of the few who cares.
Lunardi also knows a bit, but is just plain weird and St. Joe's biased when he doesn't have his NCAA thing (and sometimes when he does). And the inside jokes (was it Lunardo mentioning Nimbo Hammons?) and lack of knowledge of what happened was certainly annoying.
Might have been better with The Hawk on the broadcast.
Believe it was Pete Gillen with Chick Hernandez. Feinstein is great at everything but announcing, I think. I really enjoy Byron, and hope Dave Earl can improve (and talk less) the more experience he gets.
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Wanted to a second the shoutout to Byron Kerr, he’s great
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Would agree about Feinstein the writer. He does an excellent job. However, he’s horrible as the color guy on a telecast. Half the time he’s telling us a team is playing man and they are in a zone. He drops names and rambles forever. Kerr does a great job. I like David Earl but he’s not the answer.