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1/03/2023 6:02 pm  #1


Do We Want A Field of Ninety?

In their infinite wisdom, the NCAA is floating a proposal to expand the dance to 90 schools.  Before anyone makes the knee-jerk argument that this is being considered for no other reason but to allow even more of the majors in, what I'd counter with is that adding 22 schools to the field prospectively allows for letting more midmajors in as well.  It's been admittedly nearly 7 years since this has been on anyone's mind but doesn't it stand to reason that a 90 school field would be easier for GW to make than a 68 school field?  Of course it would.

The counterarguments are fairly obvious.  68 teams is perfect.  (Actually, 64 was perfect...4 more isn't a nightmare.)  68 is already way too many.  Doesn't 90 badly dilute the field?  (Of course it does but to what extent are we bothered by this?)

And that's really the question from a GW perspective.  Would you rather make the dance more often if that means being part of  a far more diluted field?  Is the accomplishment diminished (of course it is) and assuming you think so too, to what extent?  And to what extent would you be bothered by this, if at all?

My view is that for a program like ours, being recognized in a 90 school field would still be a real accomplishment and not so easy to achieve consistently.  Sure, Syracuse would no longer have to sweat to get in, and the 9th place team in the Big 12 may very well be included.  These things would clearly be annoying.  Still, I would accept this trade off if it meant GW was going dancing more frequently.

 

 

1/03/2023 6:36 pm  #2


Re: Do We Want A Field of Ninety?

"Anything for a Buck or Two" is the NCAA´s motto, so why not?
How about letting all teams in to the Tournament, but instead of teams getting seeds have all brackets drawn at random (lottery style)? The draw could be a celebrity-studded (and advertiser-focused) spectacle along the lines of the Oscars and WrestleMania, maybe hosted by Ryan Secrest, Megan Rapinoe and Charles Barkley, with musical performances by Tyler Perry and Snoop Dogg. Hey, if it moves units of shoes, cars and soda pop, who cares if it is a bad idea for collegiate sports?

Last edited by GW Alum Abroad (1/03/2023 10:27 pm)

 

1/03/2023 7:01 pm  #3


Re: Do We Want A Field of Ninety?

No.

 

1/03/2023 7:07 pm  #4


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The NCAA Tournament should be 64 teams. Any more is just pure greed.

 

1/03/2023 7:09 pm  #5


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May be the only realistic hope for teams like us and others relegated to the mid-major category, to get an at-large bid.
Though it would probably go to an 11th place power conference team.

 

1/03/2023 7:54 pm  #6


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I am not generally a fan of expanded playoffs, as it waters down the regular season; however it is more in line with the percentage of teams that make the post season in the professional leagues.  I could probably live with it.  

 

1/03/2023 8:30 pm  #7


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Long Suffering Fan wrote:

I am not generally a fan of expanded playoffs, as it waters down the regular season; however it is more in line with the percentage of teams that make the post season in the professional leagues.  I could probably live with it.  

The thing is that since the winners of the conference tournaments automatically get in, the NCAA “playoffs” already effectively includes more than 300 teams.

 

1/03/2023 8:42 pm  #8


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I've actually been a supporter of an 80-team model (not 90) for some time (even if I'm alone on that island).  My arguments:

1. It would eliminate the NIT from relevance.  Even though GW won the tournament, as we have long debated, how important is this tournament?  Is there that much of a difference in quality of the NIT teams from the bottom quarter of the NCAA field?

2. The model for 80 teams would be to follow the lead of conferences that have double-byes for the top teams in their conference tournaments.  16 teams would get double byes in the 80-team model.  These would be the conference champions of all of the top "x" conferences (probably the top 8 or even 12) and then the next best teams to get to 16.  The remaining 64 would play two games to get into what would be the final 32.  This would also make conference championship games crucially important and even more watchable than knowing that both teams in a Power conference tournament are already in the field.

3. Unlike the current First Four, there would be no stigma of a play-in game.  

4. From a television perspective, we'd get to see more close games in the first two rounds, where blow-outs by top seeds are not uncommon.  Every game would be like a 5 vs. 12 (or closer) game.

5. This would add more teams from the mid-major realm.  Certainly we would see more power conference teams as well, but the teams normally on the bubble include plenty of mid-major teams.

6. Finally, we're not adding any new rounds.  It's still 7 rounds, with the exception that the first round has 32 games instead of 4.  

OK...fight me on this.

 

1/03/2023 9:22 pm  #9


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I don’t think it needs to be expanded, but if it was, BGF has the best formula I’ve seen. Would love to see winning the major conference tournaments meaning more. But many would complain because they like to see the top 4 seed early upsets.

 

1/04/2023 9:38 am  #10


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Am intrigued by BGF's model though I would offer the following tweaks:

1) I would award double byes to 10 schools and single byes to the next 18 schools.  That would leave 52 schools (in an 80 school field) playing in the first round, with these 26 winners joining the 18 single bye schools in the second round.  These 22 winners join the 10 double bye schools in the round of 32.  I prefer this to the 17th best team being treated the same as the 80th best.

2) In some cases, a conference tournament champion may be deserving of a single or double bye but in other cases, it's the conference's regular season champion that's more deserving.  Rather than say that one or the other receives anything automatically, I would propose one of the following:

a) Unless the regular sesaon and tournament champion is the same school, allow the conference basketball coaches to vote on which school should receive the more desirable seed between the two schools, or

b) Allow a selection committee to make this determination

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1/04/2023 1:28 pm  #11


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I am not sure what the right number is but if you care about GW and the A-10 you better pray this happens. This is a smart defensive move by the NCAA if it happens. It will help expand the pie (more schools involved and more revenue) and keep the Power 5 from saying bye bye. May not work permanently but it will work for awhile.

 

1/04/2023 9:32 pm  #12


Re: Do We Want A Field of Ninety?

No!

 

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