GWRising wrote:

So when you play this style of offense it depends heavily on the right reads and what the defense is giving up.

Rising, you'd know better than me: it certainly felt like Lonergan would micromanage on offense much more and take the "reads" out of the hands of the team and focus them exclusive on leveraging their skills and execution without needing them to make certain choices. Would you call that right?

Your description brings me back to the Hobbs Wheel, where superior athletes and skilled players could absolutely impose their will on many teams, but would run into a buzz saw against NC State, for example. When we're expecting GW players to be talented enough, athletic enough, AND have the right basketball savvy and instincts to beat top teams, are we asking too much?

creeksandzeeks wrote:

GWRising wrote:

So when you play this style of offense it depends heavily on the right reads and what the defense is giving up.

Rising, you'd know better than me: it certainly felt like Lonergan would micromanage on offense much more and take the "reads" out of the hands of the team and focus them exclusive on leveraging their skills and execution without needing them to make certain choices. Would you call that right?

Your description brings me back to the Hobbs Wheel, where superior athletes and skilled players could absolutely impose their will on many teams, but would run into a buzz saw against NC State, for example. When we're expecting GW players to be talented enough, athletic enough, AND have the right basketball savvy and instincts to beat top teams, are we asking too much?

Agreed. No question ML kept the offense under much tighter control and made many play calls. But the game has changed with much more heavy use of ball screens and more freedom due to it being a players style which helps attract transfers etc. The more you micromanage today the more the players push back it seems. JC ran some of this style too albeit he was in between ML and CC. Also CC has a very different point guard than ML which may dictate the offense style. JoeMac was stronger and more physical but less of an accomplished scorer and did not control the ball as much. JBIV plays well off of ball screens. Also, ML at least with his later teams had established players and pros out there at several positions so he could dictate more matchups through play calls. CC has a young team that is still developing other than JBIV. ML comes from more of the control coaching tree while CC is more from lets have a basic structure but players need to make reads and plays within it. Both can be successful. I just think with CC's style it's a matter of more game reps. 

 

Rising, great summary on the different coaching styles of ML, JC and CC. Bottom line is each coach has a style but adapts around the talent they have each season, which changes constantly with injuries, etc.

ML was in the top half of the A-10 his last 3 years, back when the A-10 was very good, received several bids and was known for having great coaches. "Regularly failed in conference play" - GW0509 needs to check the stats.

It should not be a surprise that GW is struggling in conference play. CC is only in his 2nd year and we had one of the weakest pre-conference schedules in all of D-1. I am more concerned about struggling in what is now a weak conference (other than Dayton). CC has the rest of this season and next season (his 3rd) to figure it out. If we get some breaks on good transfers and keep our young talent here, I think he can turn this ship around. If not, we may be searching for our 4th coach in 9 years after the debacle of 2016.

Lonergan was well on his way toward rivaling Hobbs' legacy. 

As for CC having this year and next to figures things out or we may be searching for our 4th coach in 9 years...PLEASE JUST STOP!
 

Well, there was more to the ML situation than basketball, which may have had some effect. How we handled
it is why we are at rebuild year 8 post ML. We can leave it at that.
  And it was disturbing we did not make the NCAAs the last season under ML, though we should have. But the team also regrouped, and after a narrow win, got it together. We beat Florida. And being in Madison Square Garden, winning a national championship (even if not the biggest one) was a great experience. To me, it was worth more than even a first-game NCAA win. Don't know if we ever ended the season with a win before that.
    So, I would take that legacy of ML over the stumbles of recent years anytime.
   CC, at least in recruiting and his understanding of the game, seems like a worthy heir to ML and KH, and ultimately even Jarvis.
   And this talent level, however frustrating the execution or lack of awareness on the court, if it holds together in the easy transfer era, seems, minus a big man (and a spare) like those winning teams of the past where it took a year or so to develop. 
   So, presumably we're all tired of looking to the future and the current lapses by those in the court and to some extent, maybe those on the sidelines. But if he shows he can right the ship at least somewhat and continue his great recruiting, CC and the team can still lead us to a bright future.    

Southwestern Assemblies of God?  Well, those religious Allbritton groupies who flooded the old site to spread the word must have greatly approved. 

Alum1, one point worth differentiating.  Yes the lazy turnovers and some other bad habits were on display during the OOC season.  One big difference though was that JB and Jun were consistently finishing at the rim because these opponents just weren't capable of stopping them consistently.  A major reason why I was hoping to see a more competitive schedule (not a killer schedule, just 2-3 more challenging games), to better prepare against capable defenses.  It's why the team is now being faced with consistently capable defenses, really for the first time all year, in conference play.
 

Gwmayhem wrote:

Southwestern Assemblies of God?  Well, those religious Allbritton groupies who flooded the old site to spread the word must have greatly approved. 

Alum1, one point worth differentiating.  Yes the lazy turnovers and some other bad habits were on display during the OOC season.  One big difference though was that JB and Jun were consistently finishing at the rim because these opponents just weren't capable of stopping them consistently.  A major reason why I was hoping to see a more competitive schedule (not a killer schedule, just 2-3 more challenging games), to better prepare against capable defenses.  It's why the team is now being faced with consistently capable defenses, really for the first time all year, in conference play.
 

 
Good points and agree.

Joel Joseph wrote:

"Hobbs GW legacy" pretty much sums up the history and standing of GW basketball for the last 100 years.
Back on topic - Dayton played as expected and so did we (except for not coming close to covering the spread). We are an average team at best right now. CC would be better off playing his younger players not only to get them experience but to have them want to return next season (instead of watching 7th year students who can't lead and have never won here).
My only hope for this year is to stay out of the play-in game at conf tourney time (or maybe steal an NCAA bid due to our 11-2 start!)

Say what you want about Hobbs as his last few years were certainly not like the previous 4. However, to this day, the fact remains that he is only GW coach to win the A-10 tournament. GW changed the recruiting rules on him because the Administration got scared of the Washington Post and unlike Georgetown refused to tell the Post to GFY. The end of the Hobbs regime was inflicted largely by GW when guys like Jordan Crawford and Jeremy Wise couldn't be admitted among others but went on to play, star and graduate from other schools. GW almost always screws the coach here whether by not offering him reasonable money when he would have stayed (Jarvis) to screwing recruiting by changing standards (Hobbs) to trumping up charges (Lonergan) to screwing JC with COVID and insider meddling. Every guy got screwed in a different way. Hopefully CC avoids this outcome.