I believe that Rising is reflecting the mindset of Coach Caputo and his staff, and that that reflects the prevailing wisdom of the Conference and college basketball in general, but it's worth noting that GW "did their part" by winning 80% of its non-con games and still pooped the bed when it was time for conference play. And, Alum1 reflected a lot of cynics in calling out our pride and joy in our NET ranking and the one time we were next four out according to DeCourcy only to have reality set in with gusto.

Again, I'm not calling for GW to schedule a home-and-home with Kansas (though I'd take it). It's the fact that they're playing a ton of #275-365 teams instead of #200-#274 teams. I'm not calling for a "good" or "great" schedule, I'm disappointed that they chose "terrible" instead of "bad."

I'll stop my participation in this argument there. What's done is done, and we know all we're going to. It might be the right call for the program, but it's a bad call for fans.

According to KenPom, GW's OOC SOS was 361 out of 362 last year. Reading through all these comments, I can only think of the following reasons for this: 1) Most if not all other D1 programs have a different scheduling philosophy than GW; 2) Every other D1 program in the country (except Minnesota) had more talent than GW last year and therefore warranted a stronger OOC schedule; 3) Every other D1 program in the country (except Minnesota) was in a better position than GW to get other schools to play them; or 4) Most if not all D1 programs have the same scheduling philosophy as GW, but GW is better at it than anyone else (except Minnesota). Of these, the only one that makes sense to me is the first one...

GW0509 wrote:

I think some of that is just random chance.  Yes, the teams we scheduled in the OOC last year were bad, but I woudn't say our scheduling philosophy is all that different from the 5 other A10 schools that had a sub-300 OOC SOS.

That's possible - that some of the teams that were scheduled turned out to be worse than the schedulers were expecting. But surprisingly, GWRising, who seems to be close to those making these decisions, doesn't really make that argument in his many posts here. Caputo doesn't mention that in his posted comments about the schedule either...

Also, the next worse OOC SOS in the A10 was La Salle. While their ranking was 353, not much better than GW's 361, their actual OOC SOS score was -7.42, which seems to be significantly better than GW's -10.51, although I admit that I do not understand the math behind these scores. The third worse in the A10 was St. Joe's at -6.28 (338th).

Last edited by DC Native (9/27/2024 9:58 am)

DC Native wrote:

GW0509 wrote:

I think some of that is just random chance.  Yes, the teams we scheduled in the OOC last year were bad, but I woudn't say our scheduling philosophy is all that different from the 5 other A10 schools that had a sub-300 OOC SOS.

That's possible - that some of the teams that were scheduled turned out to be worse than the schedulers were expecting. But surprisingly, GWRising, who seems to be close to those making these decisions, doesn't really make that argument in his many posts here. Caputo doesn't mention that in his posted comments about the schedule either...

Also, the next worse OOC SOS in the A10 was La Salle. While their ranking was 353, not much better than GW's 361, their actual OOC SOS score was -7.42, which seems to be significantly better than GW's -10.51, although I admit that I do not understand the math behind these scores. The third worse in the A10 was St. Joe's at -6.28 (338th).

 I didn't make that argument because I am not sure it is relevant. You don't schedule based on what other teams in your conference are doing. You schedule based off of what is best for your team at that time. I don't think GW was trying to hide in the forest as another tree. I think CC thought this was where he wanted to be at that time given where his program is/was.

Gwmayhem -

No one ever said it was a good OOC schedule only that it shouldn't have been the 361st schedule. It's easy in hindsight now. Don't recall anyone claiming it was the worst schedule in the country either. You keep wanting to criticize the schedule but what you are blinded to is we didn't have a team ready to face a tougher schedule at the time the 2023-24 schedule was largely made. In fact, CC didn't know what he had coming back other than Bishop by Spring.

Bottom line schedule isn't changing for last year or this year so you can continue to whine all you'd like about it. Yes, this is path that CC is choosing to take for now as he indicated which in his view is in the best interests of the program. When your name goes on that door you will be entitled to change it. 

 

Gwmayhem is becoming an apt name. You are making mayhem of the English language. At about no less than 4 times in this thread and others, I said the OOC schedule was not good. There, we agree. But despite that, you continue to argue that point as if I said it was good or strong schedule. Wow! What I said was the schedule underperformed. That does not mean had it performed I thought it would be a good one. Maybe had it performed and we had been a little better in conference, the schedule could have been in the 250-275 range. Still not good but not the 2nd worst in country either. The larger point was that schedules do not always turn out how you expect both ways. Not sure why you continue to belabor the point that I somehow think the OOC schedule was good except that maybe you just like to argue facts not in evidence or struggle with basic reading comprehension.

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Long and short is the schedule is a weak one once again. Quibbling over the reason (A10 request, coach's philosophy, young team, what was available to us) unfortunately won't change it at this point for this season. 

But, I did wonder though, what role finance plays a part and how much impact an AD may have on it? Since Nero's departure, the OOC schedule has gotten worse each year it seems. Thoughts?  

Yeah, that’s where Caputo’s philosophy fails the school. Playing “as many cupcakes buy games as the university will pay for” isn’t going to materially fill seats at Smitty. That’s just reality.  Fully agree with others that OOC didn’t need to be at the bottom. It’s by choice and we just have to deal with it. But am I going to waste my time hitting Smitty for trash games like Mercyhurst, VMI, UVA-WISE (whatever the fuck that is) or NC A&T?  LOL. Nah. Hard pass. Now, the jury’s out as to whether this philosophy can work at an A-10 school like it did at an ACC school. It didn’t last year and if it doesn’t this year then it’s legit to question whether Caputo got it wrong.  But he deserves a chance to play it as he sees it.

Basketball Jones wrote:

Buff&BlueBandit wrote:

Long and short is the schedule is a weak one once again. Quibbling over the reason (A10 request, coach's philosophy, young team, what was available to us) unfortunately won't change it at this point for this season. 

But, I did wonder though, what role finance plays a part and how much impact an AD may have on it? Since Nero's departure, the OOC schedule has gotten worse each year it seems. Thoughts?  

I wonder what the effect is on ticket revenue and associated donations?
Full season
premium seating
partial plans
pre purchased single game sales
walk up daily sales
student attendance

The conference schedule is fantastic - featuring home games against the teams predicted to finish #2 thru #8
but the OOC schedule features teams that i am not willing to pay to see nor pay to ride the subway or drive to see
 

Alum1 wrote:

Yeah, that’s where Caputo’s philosophy fails the school. Playing “as many cupcakes buy games as the university will pay for” isn’t going to materially fill seats at Smitty. That’s just reality. Fully agree with others that OOC didn’t need to be at the bottom. It’s by choice and we just have to deal with it. But am I going to waste my time hitting Smitty for trash games like Mercyhurst, VMI, UVA-WISE (whatever the fuck that is) or NC A&T? LOL. Nah. Hard pass. Now, the jury’s out as to whether this philosophy can work at an A-10 school like it did at an ACC school. It didn’t last year and if it doesn’t this year then it’s legit to question whether Caputo got it wrong. But he deserves a chance to play it as he sees it.

Basketball Jones wrote:

Buff&BlueBandit wrote:

Long and short is the schedule is a weak one once again. Quibbling over the reason (A10 request, coach's philosophy, young team, what was available to us) unfortunately won't change it at this point for this season. 

But, I did wonder though, what role finance plays a part and how much impact an AD may have on it? Since Nero's departure, the OOC schedule has gotten worse each year it seems. Thoughts?  

I wonder what the effect is on ticket revenue and associated donations?
Full season
premium seating
partial plans
pre purchased single game sales
walk up daily sales
student attendance

The conference schedule is fantastic - featuring home games against the teams predicted to finish #2 thru #8
but the OOC schedule features teams that i am not willing to pay to see nor pay to ride the subway or drive to see
 

 

There is only one thing that will help fill the seats at the Smith Center - consistent winning (doesn't matter against who). Build it (the program) and they will come. No one will support a perennial losing program even against the best schedule in America.

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Gwmayhem wrote:

Here's a good poll question:

If GW offered a "conference game only "season ticket package at 80% of the cost of a full season ticket package, would you buy this or would you still buy the full season ticket package?

I buy the Georgetown 10 pack for $199 and make a donation to the team to guarantee lower level seats
this year's schedule is
7 single tix to Big East Teams 
2 tix to Villanova
1 ticket to OOC - Notre Dame

depending upon my schedule and cost
i may pick up the Creighton game and Coppin State games in December

i also have a 10 pack to GMU
their schedule does not include 10 games that I really want to see
5 tix to 3 OOC gamesNC Central / KenPom 232Coppin / KenPom 342Penn / Me / KenPom 200Penn / John WhitePenn / John White Wife

and 5 A-10 gamesDavidson / KenPom 125GWU#1 Loyola-Chicago#5 St JoesFordham / KenPom 188

I am not all that interested in seeing the bottom half of the A-10

GWU has a fantastic home schedule
i plan on attending 7 of the 9 league home games#4 Dayton#6 Duquesne#2 SLU#8 Richmond#7 GMU#3 VCU#5 Saint Joe'sand 2 OOC gamesHamptonNC A&T

i am a former season ticket holder but gave them up 2 years after the NIT Championship as the team went downhill as well as the OOC schedule

a friend has 2 seats and i am able to buy the games I want via his 2nd seat plus a Christmas -Thank you gift

i pay $9 / game, so on weeknights it is more expensive to drive and park or ride the subway to the game than the actual ticket cost

i believe a 3, 5, 7,9 or 10 pack would be better than a A-10 only ticket package