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3/25/2025 1:20 pm  #1


D1 to D3..the impact or NIL and portal

St Francis (NCAA play in loss) moving to D3 next year.  The Schools board cites the new rules and dynamics as a major factor.
Think we will see some more of this as the cost outweighs any positives the smaller schools get from publicity

 

3/25/2025 1:53 pm  #2


Re: D1 to D3..the impact or NIL and portal

PKGW wrote:

St Francis (NCAA play in loss) moving to D3 next year. The Schools board cites the new rules and dynamics as a major factor.
Think we will see some more of this as the cost outweighs any positives the smaller schools get from publicity

Think you will see a lot more of this unless the system changes. Why invest in big-time athletics if you have no shot to be successful? I am making a prediction that perhaps 100+ current D-1 schools will drop by 2030-2035. That's 1,500 basketball scholarships for each of men and women not  to mention the other sports. Also, don't get caught up in thinking it can't happen here. The next 4-5 years will dictate.

 

 

3/25/2025 2:57 pm  #3


Re: D1 to D3..the impact or NIL and portal

GWRising wrote:

PKGW wrote:

St Francis (NCAA play in loss) moving to D3 next year. The Schools board cites the new rules and dynamics as a major factor.
Think we will see some more of this as the cost outweighs any positives the smaller schools get from publicity

Think you will see a lot more of this unless the system changes. Why invest in big-time athletics if you have no shot to be successful? I am making a prediction that perhaps 100+ current D-1 schools will drop by 2030-2035. That's 1,500 basketball scholarships for each of men and women not  to mention the other sports. Also, don't get caught up in thinking it can't happen here. The next 4-5 years will dictate.

 

As it is designed to. Much with football being made in to a 40-team, two league competition, the same consolidation is going to happen in college hoops. Opperating costs are much lower for basketball, which is one of its charms with the public at-large, so the cull will not be as severe. But the TV and gambling powers want concentration of attention, and 300+ DI schools including a bunch of schools so obscure that even a dedicated fan has to look up their nicknames and hometowns does not concentrate eyeballs/wagering action.
Can GW stay in it? Well, if the finances are good then "yes". When/if it gets to the question of does an academic-focused University want to fund a money-losing pro team that generates little interest, then the answer might be different.

 

3/26/2025 10:00 pm  #4


Re: D1 to D3..the impact or NIL and portal

Also noted the time commitment of travel as a mitigating factor in a Conference that now spans geagraphy from Boston to Chicago. No doubt the cost and personal impact there is high, as I’m sure the Red Flash aren’t exactly flying private even for basketball, never mind all the other sports.

https://sfuathletics.com/news/2025/3/25/inside-athletics-saint-francis-university-announces-move-from-ncaa-division-i-athletics-to-division-iii-athletics.aspx

 

3/26/2025 10:35 pm  #5


Re: D1 to D3..the impact or NIL and portal

GW Alum Abroad wrote:

GWRising wrote:

PKGW wrote:

St Francis (NCAA play in loss) moving to D3 next year. The Schools board cites the new rules and dynamics as a major factor.
Think we will see some more of this as the cost outweighs any positives the smaller schools get from publicity

Think you will see a lot more of this unless the system changes. Why invest in big-time athletics if you have no shot to be successful? I am making a prediction that perhaps 100+ current D-1 schools will drop by 2030-2035. That's 1,500 basketball scholarships for each of men and women not  to mention the other sports. Also, don't get caught up in thinking it can't happen here. The next 4-5 years will dictate.

 

As it is designed to. Much with football being made in to a 40-team, two league competition, the same consolidation is going to happen in college hoops. Operating costs are much lower for basketball, which is one of its charms with the public at-large, so the cull will not be as severe. But the TV and gambling powers want concentration of attention, and 300+ DI schools including a bunch of schools so obscure that even a dedicated fan has to look up their nicknames and hometowns does not concentrate eyeballs/wagering action.
Can GW stay in it? Well, if the finances are good then "yes". When/if it gets to the question of does an academic-focused University want to fund a money-losing pro team that generates little interest, then the answer might be different.

or you follow the Johns Hopkins model. Division I in Men & Women's BBall. Div II or III in everything else.

 

3/27/2025 10:56 am  #6


Re: D1 to D3..the impact or NIL and portal

Basketball Jones wrote:

GW Alum Abroad wrote:

GWRising wrote:


Think you will see a lot more of this unless the system changes. Why invest in big-time athletics if you have no shot to be successful? I am making a prediction that perhaps 100+ current D-1 schools will drop by 2030-2035. That's 1,500 basketball scholarships for each of men and women not  to mention the other sports. Also, don't get caught up in thinking it can't happen here. The next 4-5 years will dictate.

 

As it is designed to. Much with football being made in to a 40-team, two league competition, the same consolidation is going to happen in college hoops. Operating costs are much lower for basketball, which is one of its charms with the public at-large, so the cull will not be as severe. But the TV and gambling powers want concentration of attention, and 300+ DI schools including a bunch of schools so obscure that even a dedicated fan has to look up their nicknames and hometowns does not concentrate eyeballs/wagering action.
Can GW stay in it? Well, if the finances are good then "yes". When/if it gets to the question of does an academic-focused University want to fund a money-losing pro team that generates little interest, then the answer might be different.

or you follow the Johns Hopkins model. Division I in Men & Women's BBall. Div II or III in everything else.

I looked this up because I had never heard of this type of arrangement for basketball and it appears that they are D-3 for everything except lacrosse.
 

 

3/27/2025 11:47 am  #7


Re: D1 to D3..the impact or NIL and portal

The Ross-Man! wrote:

Basketball Jones wrote:

GW Alum Abroad wrote:


As it is designed to. Much with football being made in to a 40-team, two league competition, the same consolidation is going to happen in college hoops. Operating costs are much lower for basketball, which is one of its charms with the public at-large, so the cull will not be as severe. But the TV and gambling powers want concentration of attention, and 300+ DI schools including a bunch of schools so obscure that even a dedicated fan has to look up their nicknames and hometowns does not concentrate eyeballs/wagering action.
Can GW stay in it? Well, if the finances are good then "yes". When/if it gets to the question of does an academic-focused University want to fund a money-losing pro team that generates little interest, then the answer might be different.

or you follow the Johns Hopkins model. Division I in Men & Women's BBall. Div II or III in everything else.

I looked this up because I had never heard of this type of arrangement for basketball and it appears that they are D-3 for everything except lacrosse.
 

 Correct. I believe you used to be not allowed to go D-1 in football or basketball without elevating all of your sports. I am not sure if that has changed.

 

3/28/2025 10:12 am  #8


Re: D1 to D3..the impact or NIL and portal

i may be wrong
but i don't think that rule has been changed

there was a movement to force Hopkins to go to D3 in Lacrosse - led by some of their competitors

look for another court challenge to the NCAA on this

look at the A-10
some schools have no football programs
some are FCS 
some have Club Football 
and UMass leaves to go FBS 

i could see a scenario where schools try to hold one sport at D1 and move the rest of the athletic program to D2 or D3
 

 

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