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12/01/2025 10:00 am  #1


Net rankings

Season’s first NET rankings were just released and GW is #47!

McNeese is 44, so we are 0-1 Q1.

USF is 77 and Murray St is 93, so we are 1-1 vs Q2.


The cayman performance still stings, but the fact that we are still top 50 shows that there is still plenty of opportunity to make this a special season.

 

12/01/2025 10:05 am  #2


Re: Net rankings

Other notable rankings:

Florida 33

George Mason 43
St Louis 49
VCU 57
Rhode Island 65 (surprised me a lot)
Dayton 88
Bonnies 91
Davidson 98

And Loyola (chi) a shocking 354.

(So 3 top 50, 5 top 75, 8 top 100 - strong showing for the A10. Great chance at multiple bids if our teams finish OOC strong and the cannibalism isn’t too bad).

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12/01/2025 10:42 am  #3


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Florida could realistically be 5-4 when we play them. We might even have a higher net by that point

 

12/01/2025 10:49 am  #4


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The difference between our NET and Dayton's shows how much the efficiency numbers of beating bad teams by a lot outweighs playing good teams.

Yes, Dayton only beat UMBC by 6 and Bethune Cookman by 9, but they also played and beat Marquette and Georgetown and lost to quality teams Cincinnati and BYU.

This sort of gets to CC's point in his viral video that the GAMES don't really matter in the NET, at least during non-con.  I think we'd all have traded our schedule for Dayton's at the beginning of the year, yet so far, our results have us as a Quad 1 and Dayton as a Quad 2.
 

 

12/01/2025 1:49 pm  #5


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Hoopsfan23 wrote:

Florida could realistically be 5-4 when we play them. We might even have a higher net by that point

They are going to be so desperate to beat us (like Murray St was).  They will not overlook us.

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12/01/2025 1:58 pm  #6


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Free Quebec wrote:

Hoopsfan23 wrote:

Florida could realistically be 5-4 when we play them. We might even have a higher net by that point

They are going to be so desperate to beat us (like Murray St was). They will not overlook us.

Considering we'd be a Quad 1 win for them I'd certainly expect them to not overlook us!

 

12/01/2025 2:54 pm  #7


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8 A10 team in the top 100 3 top 50 teams including GW, with Rhode Island and VCU not far from the top 50

Yale #25

Marquette #177 Maryland #200 

3 WCC teams in the top 32, Santa Clara, Saint Mary's and Gonzaga #5

Belmont #35 Utah St #22  Tulsa #27  Columbia # 60 
 

 

12/01/2025 3:04 pm  #8


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GW0509 wrote:

Free Quebec wrote:

Hoopsfan23 wrote:

Florida could realistically be 5-4 when we play them. We might even have a higher net by that point

They are going to be so desperate to beat us (like Murray St was). They will not overlook us.

Considering we'd be a Quad 1 win for them I'd certainly expect them to not overlook us!

What really matters though is where everyone ends up in mid-March.  The likelihood of beating GW on a neutral court amounting to a Q1 win come March is slim to none.  This has little if anything to do with how we actually play and more to do with the seemingly countless numbers of times that majors will have of passing GW simply by knocking off a handful of other majors.  It's the very system that CC was rightfully complaining about after the UMBC win.   

 

12/01/2025 4:36 pm  #9


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However, don't know whether the system reflects reality.
Or encourages games that challenge you, as GW0509 points out.
I saw just a few minutes of Dayton playing a major team this week--and at this point in the year, they
sure seemed better than we were in the much lesser FloSports tournament.
   At least in the eye test.

 

12/01/2025 5:13 pm  #10


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Gwmayhem wrote:

GW0509 wrote:

Free Quebec wrote:


They are going to be so desperate to beat us (like Murray St was). They will not overlook us.

Considering we'd be a Quad 1 win for them I'd certainly expect them to not overlook us!

What really matters though is where everyone ends up in mid-March.  The likelihood of beating GW on a neutral court amounting to a Q1 win come March is slim to none.  This has little if anything to do with how we actually play and more to do with the seemingly countless numbers of times that majors will have of passing GW simply by knocking off a handful of other majors.  It's the very system that CC was rightfully complaining about after the UMBC win.   

If you gave me slim to none type odds, I would take that bet.  Torvik’s site projects us to FINISH the season with a NET ranking of 40, going 2-3 against Q1, 4-3 vs Q2, but 1 loss each against Q3 and 4.   That would very much be a bubble resume (a P4 team with a net of 40 would be in, but an A10 team with 6 Q1/2 wins, but 2 bad losses would be right on the edge.

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12/01/2025 6:14 pm  #11


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Hope you're right, FQ.  Again, my statement has far more to do with how the NET rewards majors for playing so many Q1 games, essentially because they have to by definition, than how GW plays.  Simply put, we see this every year.  Last year, Baylor goes 18-13 with a NET of 30.  Ohio State lands at 40 with a 17-15 record.  And Cincinnati, now in a major conference, finishes 18-15 and winds up at 50.  Meanwhile, Drake is 28-3 with a NET of 56, Dayton goes 21-9 with some bigtime wins as I recall and ends up at 67.  Let's not forget Mason, a NET of 75 despite a 23-7 record.  No big OOC wins for Mason but the real point is how many such games can they even get to play?

If you turn out to be correct, it will be because the A10 did enough to distinguish themselves with its OOC play.  I'm just not sure there's such a thing anymore.

 

12/01/2025 8:39 pm  #12


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This GW team reminds me of 21-22 Davidson, two early losses with a weak Noncon, and one big game vs an SEC team. granted they won, but I believe our schedule has set us up to be able to have a similar year as them.

 

12/04/2025 8:28 am  #13


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A10 currently has 6 teams in the top 75, 9 in the top 100.

Seems whenever we are good, the league is really strong (except for 06 and 07).  Is it fair to say, as goes GW, so goes the A10?

Also, for Mayhem, I’m not predicting we end up top 50 - just saying I think our odds are better than slim to none.

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12/09/2025 11:12 am  #14


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As a public service announcement, please note as follows regarding the NET Quads:

Quad 1: Games against teams ranked 1-30 in the current NET at home, games at a neutral site against teams ranked 1-50 in the NET, games on the road against teams ranked 1-75 in the NET.
Quad 2: Home games against teams 31-75, neutral site games against teams 51-100, away games against teams 76-135
Quad 3: Home games against teams 76-160, neutral site games against teams 101-200, away games against teams 136-240
Quad 4: Home games against teams 161-353, neutral site games against teams 201-353, away games against teams 241-353

Based upon current NET rankings, GW has the following potential quad 1 opponents:  Florida (which in term has GW as a quad 1 opponent); at VCU; at St. Louis; and at Mason.  In other words, the door remains, if not wide opened, it is at least ajar.

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12/09/2025 6:49 pm  #15


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Question for the experts here on the various metrics used to rank teams. I noticed that Rhode Island is playing McNeese tonight and am curious what the best outcome for GW would be if they were in position to be considered for an at large bid at the end of the season. My initial thought was that you want all of your opponents to win all their games against other opponents, however in this example since GW plays both of these teams once, is it preferable to have URI win since that raises the A-10's winning percentage versus other conferences, and they play more games against GW's other opponents? Or is it better if McNeese wins, since they beat GW?  I by no means am worrying about any team's resume at this point in the season, this is more of a hypothetical curiosity.

 

12/09/2025 10:55 pm  #16


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Block or Charge wrote:

Question for the experts here on the various metrics used to rank teams. I noticed that Rhode Island is playing McNeese tonight and am curious what the best outcome for GW would be if they were in position to be considered for an at large bid at the end of the season. My initial thought was that you want all of your opponents to win all their games against other opponents, however in this example since GW plays both of these teams once, is it preferable to have URI win since that raises the A-10's winning percentage versus other conferences, and they play more games against GW's other opponents? Or is it better if McNeese wins, since they beat GW?  I by no means am worrying about any team's resume at this point in the season, this is more of a hypothetical curiosity.

 
Far from an expert, but guessing a McNeese win on the road at URI has more value to us since we can hopefully take care of business against the Rams at our house. Of course, we lose to Rhody at our ranch and that would smart.

 

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