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Could the Bucks have drafted him with the 60th pick they traded for, and used to draft another player?
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GWRising wrote:
A very complicated story involving Castro and the NBA Draft. Turns out he could have been drafted twice in he latter part of Round 2. However, he turned the first opportunity down because the first team was not offering a two-way contract and rather a Rule 85 contract. For those of you who know, a Rule 85 is less money and no guarantees whereas a two-way contract signed before the season is 100% of the NBA rookie minimum. He actually had a second opportunity to be drafted but he had a two-way free agent contract offer on the table from the Bucks (if no one drafted him) and decided that was a better opportunity for him than the other team. This has been verified from multiple sources. Good for him - he knows his worth and held out for it even if he didn't get the honor of being drafted.
How do you "turn down" getting drafted? The clue is in the very word "draft". Or did he threaten to just head to Europe if they picked him? It is not as if players have much of a choice when it comes to being picked or not.
Actually that's not true anymore in the latter parts of the 2nd round. Much of it has to do with what a team is offering and whether there are better opportunities here or overseas. Have you ever noticed the dozens of players whose draft rights are traded from previous drafts because they never signed? Teams usually have a conversation with a number of players as their pick approaches to tell them what they would offer if they are selected. They are not going to "draft" you unless you are on the same page and will sign - the picks are too valuable to waste because there are only 2 rounds. Most of the time there is agreement because the player has limited options. Sometimes it does not happen. Sounds like last night was one example with Castro. But I am telling you this is 100% true as to how Castro ended up with the Bucks.
GWRising, I'm trying to understand why any marginal player (marginal by NBA standards) would prefer a Rule 85 contract over a two-way contract. Does the Rule 85 contract involve some level of guaranteed money while the two-way does not? Otherwise, the two-way offers the full NBA rookie minimum for making the team while the Rule 85 does not. Perhaps the guys who are drafted late in the second round gladly accept the Rule 85 contract because: a) a second-round pick has a better statistical chance of making the team than an undrafted free agent, and/or b) the player has not previously worked out a two-way contract (like Slim and his agent did) and therefore, the Rule 85 contract may be the only offer they will end up receiving.
It all appears to be very counterintuitive.
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How do you "turn down" getting drafted? The clue is in the very word "draft". Or did he threaten to just head to Europe if they picked him? It is not as if players have much of a choice when it comes to being picked or not.Actually that's not true anymore in the latter parts of the 2nd round. Much of it has to do with what a team is offering and whether there are better opportunities here or overseas. Have you ever noticed the dozens of players whose draft rights are traded from previous drafts because they never signed? Teams usually have a conversation with a number of players as their pick approaches to tell them what they would offer if they are selected. They are not going to "draft" you unless you are on the same page and will sign - the picks are too valuable to waste because there are only 2 rounds. Most of the time there is agreement because the player has limited options. Sometimes it does not happen. Sounds like last night was one example with Castro. But I am telling you this is 100% true as to how Castro ended up with the Bucks.
GWRising, I'm trying to understand why any marginal player (marginal by NBA standards) would prefer a Rule 85 contract over a two-way contract. Does the Rule 85 contract involve some level of guaranteed money while the two-way does not? Otherwise, the two-way offers the full NBA rookie minimum for making the team while the Rule 85 does not. Perhaps the guys who are drafted late in the second round gladly accept the Rule 85 contract because: a) a second-round pick has a better statistical chance of making the team than an undrafted free agent, and/or b) the player has not previously worked out a two-way contract (like Slim and his agent did) and therefore, the Rule 85 contract may be the only offer they will end up receiving.
It all appears to be very counterintuitive.
I think it all comes down to options that the individual player has. Slim had (maybe) a rare situation where he had another option (Bucks FA but two-way contract) so he could freely turn down the Rule 85 contract. Others may not have this option and believe as you said that they wanted to be drafted even with a Rule 85 contract because even if cut they still have status as a NBA draft pick (whether here or overseas) that will help with their future options. Slim appears to have threaded the needle nicely even at the expense of being a draft pick. Kudos to his agent who apparently had a back-up plan in place that allowed this flexibility.
I agree it is somewhat surprising and confusing that teams have options with what kinds of contracts they can offer to a second round pick - meaning that all second round picks are not treated equally as far as having a similar contract even if the amounts may vary. I don't believe this is the case with NFL draft picks for example.