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8/26/2020 1:05 pm  #101


Re: Say Goodbye to the Colonials Name

The USNWR rankings are important when you consider the school's ranking against the schools cost.

Not only is FSU, Ohio State and Rutgers ranked ahead of us, but their cost of attendance (tuition, room and board) is significantly lower. It's a no-brainer for the prospective students and their parents who are paying the bills.
 

 

9/02/2020 10:03 am  #102


Re: Say Goodbye to the Colonials Name

Well I guess if the Washington Monument is now in jeopardy and Ben Franklin is a person of "concern", we shouldn't be too concerned with keeping the Colonials name. SMDH

 

9/02/2020 1:43 pm  #103


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Last week, I jokingly remarked that the Washington Monument and Jefferson Memorial were ripe for new naming rights deals.   I was kidding.

Time to put some cards on the table.  What do you think is more important to black and brown Americans: a) to be treated civilly and with respect.  To not be harshly or unfairly judged due to nothing more than the color of their skin.  Or b) to rename everything associated with any slave owner, regardless of the individual's overall legacy and contributions to this country?  Sure some would absolutely want both a) and b) but if only one could be obtained, wouldn't practically everyone cast their vote with a)?

Here's a sad conclusion that we as a society have either arrived at or are getting closer to every day:  Perhaps this country really isn't capable of a).  Perhaps there will always be bad cops and ugly racists no matter how determined our efforts are to rid ourselves of these repugnant individuals.  And because of this, the answer seems to be to resort to b).  Simply because b), unlike a), CAN be done.   

 

9/02/2020 4:59 pm  #104


Re: Say Goodbye to the Colonials Name

Well done Gwmayhem!

 

9/02/2020 5:58 pm  #105


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Gwmayhem, of course the answer is (a). But (b) allows politicians to virtue signal while not having to make some of the real (and much harder) changes necessary for (a). This has always been the case at least in my lifetime. But ironically (b) often makes (a) harder especially when (b) is deemed to attack certain underlying truths held to be self-evident since the birth of this Nation. For example, I think if you put it to a vote many would say reform (not defund) police but don't you dare f*ck with the Washington Monument. Therefore, when you lead with (b) you shut down opportunities for promoting (a) because potential allies are now fractured due to the attack on certain symbols.  

 

9/02/2020 8:13 pm  #106


Re: Say Goodbye to the Colonials Name

Gwmayhem wrote:

Last week, I jokingly remarked that the Washington Monument and Jefferson Memorial were ripe for new naming rights deals.   I was kidding.

Time to put some cards on the table.  What do you think is more important to black and brown Americans: a) to be treated civilly and with respect.  To not be harshly or unfairly judged due to nothing more than the color of their skin.  Or b) to rename everything associated with any slave owner, regardless of the individual's overall legacy and contributions to this country?  Sure some would absolutely want both a) and b) but if only one could be obtained, wouldn't practically everyone cast their vote with a)?

Here's a sad conclusion that we as a society have either arrived at or are getting closer to every day:  Perhaps this country really isn't capable of a).  Perhaps there will always be bad cops and ugly racists no matter how determined our efforts are to rid ourselves of these repugnant individuals.  And because of this, the answer seems to be to resort to b).  Simply because b), unlike a), CAN be done.   

Gwmayhem, thank you for the question. I'm sitting here thinking that maybe this is some kind of trick, because you can't have "a" without also having "b". What I am trying to say is that it's an insult and disrespectful every time a black person has to cross the Woodrow Wilson Bridge, or go into the Marvin Center, and so on and so on.   So many states have glorified racists by naming streets, buildings, schools and what not.  Putting that little idea aside, I'd say "a" would be better. I feel you're right about it not be possible. And while "b" can be done, it will never happen because most of white America doesn't give a damn about black people. After listening to the conversation in this country over the past year, I am more convinced than ever that most of white America including almost all white Republicans and many white democrats feel it's in their best interest to make sure black people are always at least a rung below them.  I pray I'm wrong, but I mostly hear only three things from white america which is hatred, rationalizaton, or empty words.  

Last edited by 22ndandF (9/02/2020 8:27 pm)

 

9/03/2020 7:11 am  #107


Re: Say Goodbye to the Colonials Name

Dr Mike wrote:

Kudos to GWMAYHEM. You write with purpose, clarity and conviction. I am 66 years old. Never have I been more disappointed in our government, the three branches of government, its agencies and departments, the education system, the healthcare system, the social service network, safety and security network, federal and state policies, business and industry, collective bargaining and its citizenship. It is thoroughly and completely dysfunctional. The U.S. has all the characteristics of a third world country. 

It is easy to blame Trump (and I do) but the U.S. decline started well before him. Trump expedited the decline. 
 
America requires a "do over".  A second chance to get it right. 

The second chance requires all elected and appointed officials to resign, at the federal and state level. None are capable for this moment. 

The greatest asset any elected or appointed official can have is credibility. Credibility is a form of trust that is earned. There is not a single person in the U.S. government that I can attach the work "credible" to. 
 

KUDOS to you too Dr. Mike!  I didn't realize it until you wrote it, but I feel very much the same way.  The only thing I'd quibble about is the characterization of Trump expediting the decline. I'd say that Trump has super-charged it with a form of hate and pot-stirring roughly equivalent to Adolf Hitler.  And if you have half of the US either approving or rationalizing Trump's way of doing things, then America is doomed.

 

9/03/2020 9:09 am  #108


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This is a great conversation.  A precise example of the type of civil discourse that this country desperately needs.

22nd&F, I obviously do not know your skin color and please do not feel inclined to reveal this unless you would like to.  If you are in fact a black or brown American, I am curious as to whether you truly feel offended when walking into the Marvin Center or witnessing the glorified legacies of George Washington or Thomas Jefferson.  You wrote that we can't have a) without b) and I'm left to wonder if that really is true.  I know for a fact that a) is bigoted and personally offensive.  As for b), I just don't know how personally offensive this is.  It may very well be; as a white person, I just haven't seen this from afar.

DrMike, thank you for the compliment.  Am a fan of your posts as well.  I'll add to 22nd&F's most recent post by saying that referring to a "U.S. decline" prior to the arrival of Trump is too strong in my opinion.  What has gone on in this country prior to Trump's arrival is a divisive rhetoric that has become far too acceptable and which has contributed to major problems with our two-party political system.  I would trace this back to the Clinton administration, the rise of political talk radio with Rush Limbaugh leading the charge, and the subsequent advent of unabashedly biased cable news networks like Fox News and MSNBC.  Somewhere along the line, the object of the game moved away from the evidence or support that was backing up what people said and more towards the volume and frequency in which things were being said.  Our president has undoubtedly taken this to never before seen or heard extremes.  Accountability is out the window.  Being questioned or challenged can easily be solved by quickly moving on to the next subject.  It doesn't help matters when rather than making even the slightest attempt at uniting the country, the president repeatedly refers to his opposing party as "losers" and worse.  No matter what your feelings were towards any prior president, it's safe to assume that no president certainly in our lifetimes has ever sought to divide the country quite like Trump has.

Should Biden win the election, here's my prediction: he's going to go out of his way to compromise/appease Republicans on at least a few issues.  (Of course, control of the Senate may have much to do with this.)  Having seen how divisive his predecessor was, he will make sure not to govern in nearly as one-sided a manner.  Will this make a dent in attempting to fix our two-party system?  Will Americans understand/be appreciative of such an effort?  Even if these answers are "hardly at all", it will be a step in the right direction. 

 

9/03/2020 9:38 am  #109


Re: Say Goodbye to the Colonials Name

A "discussion" between 6-8 names and 1 human, only at GW Hoops, 25+ years running.  
Don King was right Only in America too

 

9/03/2020 11:13 am  #110


Re: Say Goodbye to the Colonials Name

The Dudelusional still does not seem to understand that unlike the old board, there are measures in place on this site to prevent any individual from posting under multiple names.  Or, let's put this another way.  If it's so easy for me to post under multiple names (which I am not), why are so many of his former names still in retirement? 

 

9/03/2020 11:29 am  #111


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The Dude wrote:

A "discussion" between 6-8 names and 1 human, only at GW Hoops, 25+ years running.  
Don King was right Only in America too

Bartender I will have what the Dude is having. Wow. Dude, when you look in the mirror do you see more than one person? LOL

 

9/03/2020 2:16 pm  #112


Re: Say Goodbye to the Colonials Name

Dr Mike, I'd still trust most of the non-political appointees in government.  Trump appointees - not one iota, though even I liberal that I am, find it incredible that Trump could find so many lost souls to appoint.

 

9/09/2020 1:21 pm  #113


Re: Say Goodbye to the Colonials Name

On September 9, 1776 the second Continental Congress made the term "United States"  official, replacing "United Colonies."   Let's  have a big parade celebrating UNITED COLONIES day. At least celebrate United Colonies at GWU.

 

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