First semester Freshman -completely different scenario I’m quite sure.GWRising you apparently love to have the last word whether you make sense or not.
 

GWRising wrote:

How is it different? Andre Weir apparently didn't play as much as he would have liked. 

Very clearly different to compare a first semester freshman to a senior who had his minutes cut.  For starters, there's a body of work to compare it to.  Second, Jack played under this coach last year, Weir was new to the program.  I get the point you've repeatedly tried to jam home in the other thread, but this isn't quite strengthening your point.  
 

Which case? That they both left over playing time concerns? Why is it so relevant when that occurred? Things do change.

Last edited by GWRising (12/26/2020 3:48 pm)

The case being that you have to have the last word.You are very knowledgeable and clearly have a lot to offer but your need to be “right “all the time” diminishes your contributions.The scenarios are quite different-yes?Maybe I’m being to nuanced here.

Distilled to their essence you are right.

GWRising wrote:

I don't have to be right but I am asking you to tell me what is substantially different other than class year. The point I am trying to drive home is that distilled to their essence, almost every transfer is based on an assessment at a particular moment in time of playing time and opportunity at current school versus projected playing time and opportunity elsewhere. If I am missing something else like Maceo and/or Andre decided to stop playing basketball or there is some family reason, please let me know.

Look GWRising, I don't hop in here a lot, especially to bickering matches, but the campaign you're on to absolve JC of any blame in why Maceo transferred is intellectually insulting. For one, it fits a pattern of JC's first year and half here in which he has clearly prioritized figuring out how to build for years 3 and 4 of his tenure as opposed to winning right away. Just last year, Mazzula and Jack were removed as starters after just one game in favor of a highly turnover prone JNJ and Shawn Walker. Armel, who was by far our best guard last year, wasn't even given a look until game five, likely because he could only be of so much utility to JC's long term tenure.

Jack, to his credit, stuck it out last year and ended up earning back his starting position and turned into a guy that JC depended on to play just about every minute of every game. A player who sticks out a coaching change, does everything you ask of him and then sees his playing tine plummet in his senior year is not being "coached", he's being disrespected. James Bishop does not go through the same "using the bench as a coaching tool" because JC has determined Bishop is where he is hinging his future success. He's allowed to do that, but don't act as though Maceo is jumping ship on his team. That's simply gaslighting and it's rather annoying. Maceo deserved to finish his career here, he deserved to be a starter while doing it and he certainly deserved to be playing more than 21 minutes a night while doing it. 

Class of 13 wrote:

GWRising wrote:

I don't have to be right but I am asking you to tell me what is substantially different other than class year. The point I am trying to drive home is that distilled to their essence, almost every transfer is based on an assessment at a particular moment in time of playing time and opportunity at current school versus projected playing time and opportunity elsewhere. If I am missing something else like Maceo and/or Andre decided to stop playing basketball or there is some family reason, please let me know.

Look GWRising, I don't hop in here a lot, especially to bickering matches, but the campaign you're on to absolve JC of any blame in why Maceo transferred is intellectually insulting. For one, it fits a pattern of JC's first year and half here in which he has clearly prioritized figuring out how to build for years 3 and 4 of his tenure as opposed to winning right away. Just last year, Mazzula and Jack were removed as starters after just one game in favor of a highly turnover prone JNJ and Shawn Walker. Armel, who was by far our best guard last year, wasn't even given a look until game five, likely because he could only be of so much utility to JC's long term tenure.

Jack, to his credit, stuck it out last year and ended up earning back his starting position and turned into a guy that JC depended on to play just about every minute of every game. A player who sticks out a coaching change, does everything you ask of him and then sees his playing tine plummet in his senior year is not being "coached", he's being disrespected. James Bishop does not go through the same "using the bench as a coaching tool" because JC has determined Bishop is where he is hinging his future success. He's allowed to do that, but don't act as though Maceo is jumping ship on his team. That's simply gaslighting and it's rather annoying. Maceo deserved to finish his career here, he deserved to be a starter while doing it and he certainly deserved to be playing more than 21 minutes a night while doing it. 

This is spot on about early season last year, Mazz, Shawn Walker,etc.
Had abandoned this, despite strong feelings,because there is not a lot of constituency for decency, honor and
doing the right thing when it comes to our student athletes.
  GWRising, your information is appreciated (though other people have information,too), but find it perplexing that you defend and have basically every GW coach's decision. Do they do nothing wrong? This already tame board would be even more boring. Should we talk about how GW is great, when we are so down in the cellar that we are giddy over splitting two home games with a rusty Duquesne. Not Duke, Duquesne.
   And there is discussion about calling out players in an extreme personal attacks, which I agree with, except deserved criticism for selfishness, lack of teamwork, unsportsmanlike and not playing hard. Yet you continue to attack Maceo. by all appearances and limited personal interaction with him, a stand up guy. What I noticed about Maceo, even in his last game, was that he was cheering his teammates on, despite being relegated to the bench. Lay off Maceo, a coach's son, who played the hand he was dealt with dignity and decency.
   If we pull up comments from earlier in the season, a lot of posters were perplexed about Maceo's lack of playing
time. It didn't make sense this season as we are losing, as numerous posters pointed out. In fact, JC's OOC doesn't make sense at all, two years in a row, but that's another thread. The OOC record matters in this league.
  JC ran Maceo off the team by letting him know he wouldn't be playing much when he deserved to play. Maceo was spark in several of our comeback attempts and we might have been able to win if he played more. He also effectively ran off JNJ, though he may not have anticipated the immediate result. 
A team losing 3 good players midseason in two years is a sign of mismanagement or lack of respect for players. If it happened under another coach, there'd be howling. The most egregious examples, Mazz and Maceo were very decent people who served the GW community, as well as players.
  Toro, a GW athletic leader and great rebounder, was similarly disrespected, big time. You can argue about Langarica's talent, but he won a game for literally with a putback and then disappeared the next game. There is no reward for performance for some players not in JC's favor. Some of these guys and other departed players had gone through a lot of turmoil at GW, but stayed.
JC turned on his own with JNJ, who has enormous athleticism. Without even looking back, believe both Maceo and JNJ averaged 10 points a game, hardly deep bench material.
  As Class of13 pointed out, there is no "tough love" for other players, including who the coach acknowledged ignored his end of the game play calling two games in a row. No consequences whatsoever.
  We'll see if we retain Battle, who had to force his points until Duquesne2 and even then, didn't get enough passes when he was hot. JC sticks with his favorites when they are good or bad.  It's hard not to see how current players don't get the message that unless you're a No. 1 favorite, you are expendable. And it will be used against us in recruiting long term, even if we have a few successes now.
   Don't think this treatment of good people is acceptable. But if you want to put it in more selfish terms for us, this treatment of good players is not acceptable. This isn't the pros, where you cut players midseason. JC has certainly cut players at the end of the year, like 38 minute starter Shawn Walker. Unsettling, but more by the accepted standards of college basketball than midseason.
   Don't think JC's style of dealing with players midseason is acceptable or even good strategy in the long term no m, if we were winning. But we are 3-7, with numerous bad losses to teams below our level.
   But GW13 pointed out the ultimate question about JC's ability to judge players. Armel was deep sixed until we really needed to try anything. Then he became everyone's savior. Armel was revered here and by JC. When he was injured, we went into a tailspin. Armel played nearly every minute he could.
   Yet, what can an insider tell us about JC's plans for Armel remaining on the team before he turned absolutely indispensable? 
And what does it say about JC's judgment about talent?
    
 

   

Verbal Commits[/url] [url=https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits]@VerbalCommits·3h 
Duquesne G Lamar Norman, Jr. (JR) has entered the transfer portal. http://verbalcommits.com/players/lamar-norman-jr

Tom Seipp[/url] [url=https://twitter.com/Tom_Seipp]@Tom_Seipp·Dec 30, 2020 
BREAKING: Justin Winston has announced his intention to leave the St. Bonaventure men’s basketball team. He’s transferring, effective immediately. In his freshman season in 2019-20, Winston averaged 8.7 PPG in 31 games.

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David Czerapowicz (Davidson): In transfer portal - https://rotowire.com/cbasketball/player.php?id=12837

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La Salle F/C Brandon Stone (SO) has entered the transfer portal. http://verbalcommits.com/players/brandon-stone

GW0509 wrote:

Verbal Commits[/url] [url=https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits]@VerbalCommits·3h 
Duquesne G Lamar Norman, Jr. (JR) has entered the transfer portal. http://verbalcommits.com/players/lamar-norman-jr

Tom Seipp[/url] [url=https://twitter.com/Tom_Seipp]@Tom_Seipp·Dec 30, 2020 
BREAKING: Justin Winston has announced his intention to leave the St. Bonaventure men’s basketball team. He’s transferring, effective immediately. In his freshman season in 2019-20, Winston averaged 8.7 PPG in 31 games.

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David Czerapowicz (Davidson): In transfer portal - https://rotowire.com/cbasketball/player.php?id=12837

Verbal Commits[/url] [url=https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits]@VerbalCommits·Dec 14, 2020 
La Salle F/C Brandon Stone (SO) has entered the transfer portal. http://verbalcommits.com/players/brandon-stone

Hey jf maybe you should investigate why Norman left Duquesne. Must be that Dambrot forced him off. SMH.