Posted by GW Alum Abroad  4/23/2024 1:53 pm | #241 |
GW0509 wrote:
@jeffborzello
Miami transfer Christian Watson is visiting Southern Miss tomorrow, per his NIL agent Noah Reisenfeld of Young Money APAA Sports. Tulane, Washington State and Duquesne also on Watson's list."NIL agent"???
Yep. A lot of these "agents" are just recent Sports Marketing graduates who are play-pretending as Drew Rosenhaus and charging the athletes upwards of 20% for their "services." The agency listed here is actually an offshoot of a rap music label to give you a sense of how sophisticated the operation is.
It's a total scam, much like most of NIL.
This was not in my haggadah last night, but it may very well be a sign for the powers-that-be. How sleazy can college sport get before the plug is pulled?
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Posted by Free Quebec 4/24/2024 1:55 pm | #242 |
Lynn Greer to Tenple to follow in his dad’s footsteps. Maybe he’s expecting Larry Lembo to ref every game so he can have the same results.
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Posted by Gwmayhem 4/24/2024 3:26 pm | #243 |
Lynn Greer to Tenple to follow in his dad’s footsteps. Maybe he’s expecting Larry Lembo to ref every game so he can have the same results.
From Dayton to St. Joe's to Temple.
We'll get our shot at landing him in 2025-26, along with UMASS and Xavier.
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Posted by Gwmayhem 4/25/2024 8:44 am | #244 |
What we have right now in college basketball is unrestricted free agency each and every year. No sitting out, play for four schools in four years without giving any reasons for changing schools if that's what you want. If this is what the players have wanted all along, all I can say is to be careful what you wish for.
Both Darren Buchanon and Gibson Jimerson have recently commented on how miserable an experience it was to be in the transfer portal. It's been described as high school recruiting on steroids. A zillion calls, broken promises, all at a breakneck pace. Plus, this says nothing about picking up and leaving teammates and friends you've made at one school only to know practically nobody at the next stop. Putting oneself through this annually, or even multiple times, does not seem to be in the best interests of a player from a mental health perspective.
Here are the changes I'd like to see:
1) Anyone may enter the portal after their freshman season. Mistakes do get made and players should be able to cleanly rectify these without sitting out a year.
2) Anyone who plays their sophomore season at the same school can only then transfer if they sit out a full season. Otherwise, aside from turning pro, dropping to D2 or D3, or quitting the sport, anyone who spends year 2 at a school is also spending Year 3 at the same school.
3) Anyone may transfer prior to their senior season without siting out a year. However, they will forfeit their 5th year/graduate school season by doing so. Or, they can sit out a year and retain two more seasons of playing at the same school (so they should transfer to a school with graduate programs if they'd like to play 2 more years).
4) Undergrads who've earned their degrees may transfer to a school with graduate programs without siting out, as is the case now.
Of course, anyone can leave at any time to turn pro or for reasons that do not involve continuing to play D1 basketball.
The big change is that sophomores need to continue their college careers at the same school through their junior season or be willing to sit out a season in between their sophomore and junior seasons. This is somewhat comparable to college baseball where players can become eligible for the MLB draft either after high school or after their junior year of college. This change helps ensure that players remain teammates for longer periods of time which I believe would enhance the sport's quality of play.
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Posted by GW0509 4/25/2024 8:52 am | #245 |
GW got a visit from Gerald Drumgoole, Jr.
Drumgoole averaged 13.9/3.8/2.4 for Delaware last season. He scored 12 points against us in the Bahamas and could've scored more had he not gone 1-7 from 3. If I remember right, some of those misses were key for us in our comeback. He averaged 15.7 ppg for Albany the year prior and started his collegiate career at Pitt.
Kinda crazy, Drumgoole was actually offered by Mojo in high school.
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Posted by MSC 4/25/2024 9:01 am | #246 |
Good info. He’s a big(6’5) guard with 4 years of playing time. Could be a good fit to bring more experience in the back court for his remaining season of eligibility. Get Drumgoogle, then round off class with one more big. Need a another backup at 4-5 position.
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Posted by GW0509 4/25/2024 9:02 am | #247 |
It would take guts (something these school administrators clearly don't have) but I think a simpler approach would be to tighten up credits transferring and/or not allowing kids to take some BS certificate course at the new school.
In all the legal filings, the NCAA has argued college sports is unique because the athletes are students, not professionals. Yet, time and again we hear about athletes being pushed into "easy" majors, or frankly no majors at all, in order to make scheduling practices, travel, and games easier. If the schools got together and agreed to certain baseline minimums regarding credits, majors, GPA, etc., it may end up producing situations where students can't really transfer every year because they'd have nowhere to go. I believe Michigan has been the most visible example of this where two years in a row a transfer has been denied admission because they can't transfer enough credits to graduate.
I am not naïve enough to think this could be accomplished because we've already seen schools like Tennessee sue the NCAA for investigating tampering allegations. But if the NCAA wants to put their money where their mouths are about the idea of the STUDENT athlete, it should be reigning in the schools that fail to adhere to any sort of academic standards.
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Posted by GW73 4/25/2024 9:44 am | #248 |
Nice ideas, but I think we are living in a dream world. It's too late to go back in college basketball and football. Let's be honest. Men's college basketball and football sports are essentially pro sports. Money, money, money. When was the last player declared academically ineligible? Colleges can no longer tell players to get an education and then use that degree to get a good job to help your family financially. Players now ask when they are beinig recruited how much will they get paid . Why wait. many of their families could use the money now and not have to wait to use a college degree to get a job that pays them 6 figures a year. College athletes, who aren't ready for the NBA, are staying in school because they can earn more money in school than playing anywhere else. And why should coaches get paid millions while players are not allowed play for a year if they go to a new team? Colleges are hiring players to represent their schools. The first question of may recruits and their familes: What's the pay? The players aren't students first. It's a joke when the NCAA talks about student-athletes. I think we need start coming up with ideas about how big money college sports will deal with collective bargaining, unions, salaried players and salary caps etc.
Thanks for reading.
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Posted by GWRising 4/25/2024 12:09 pm | #249 |
Who is going to be there for many of the 99% that never make the league and have no college degree because they transferred multiple times while squandering whatever NIL money they made after paying their "NIL agent". Asking for a friend.
Let's just say you made $150k in the NIL money for 4 years in MD. You would probably pay your NIL agent 15-20% = $30k. So you have $120k each year minus federal/state taxes (let's say 30% after deductions) and 15.3% FICA. So you are left with 65-70K each year. Now there is no more basketball and you have no degree. This is what the NCAA is promoting.
Solution. Treat college athletics based on academics and degrees. You can get one immediate transfer as an undergrad and one as a grad transfer. Period. You have to be academically eligible based on a minimum standards as far as courses and progress towards graduation. If you don't like it go pro. NCAA needs to grow a pair and reassert that this is about student-athletes and not athletes and if a college education isn't about an education, you need to find something else.
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Posted by GW Alum Abroad 4/25/2024 12:40 pm | #250 |
I want those kids to get off my lawn and turn down the hippity-hop music, too.
But as long as there are multi-billion dollar TV deals, "official" brand sponsorship dollars, hospitality tent dollars, "student event" fee dollars, "ticket package" dollars, gambling partnership dollars, parking fee dollars and concession stand dollars flowing like the Mississippi River in to school coffers, no way we go back to the era of the degree-earning student athlete playing for love of dear ol' Alma Mater.
How to get the genie back in the bottle? Well since college students and grads make up a minority of the revenue sources, simply turning off what we are turned off by is not going to work. If FSU and Clemson can come up with the cash to buy their way out of the ACC, then the solution will come naturally as the 50-odd football powers will split away from the other schools and go off on their own, returning the rest of us to the balanced order of teams on tight budgets comprised of talented athletes who take classes. That, or we will see more schools follow Hartford's lead and choose the be Universities before being Franchises.
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Posted by gwstudent2024 4/25/2024 1:50 pm | #251 |
GW got a visit from Gerald Drumgoole, Jr.
Drumgoole averaged 13.9/3.8/2.4 for Delaware last season. He scored 12 points against us in the Bahamas and could've scored more had he not gone 1-7 from 3. If I remember right, some of those misses were key for us in our comeback. He averaged 15.7 ppg for Albany the year prior and started his collegiate career at Pitt.
Kinda crazy, Drumgoole was actually offered by Mojo in high school.
Where'd you see this?
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Posted by danjsport 4/25/2024 5:15 pm | #252 |
It’s amazing how much pressure we put on these kids to stay at one school, with no incentive to stay there (unless they choose to).
How about this for an idea—four year contracts for players, and if they want to leave, they pay a buyout.
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Posted by GWRising 4/26/2024 10:10 am | #253 |
It’s amazing how much pressure we put on these kids to stay at one school, with no incentive to stay there (unless they choose to).
How about this for an idea—four year contracts for players, and if they want to leave, they pay a buyout.
Yes, pressure to get an education at a college for free that will set you up for a lifetime should by chance you become one of the 99% who won't earn a living off of basketball ... so terrible and oppressive lol.
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Posted by GW0509 4/26/2024 10:34 am | #254 |
Christian Watson is still available and he would be a good fit as a defense-first guy. I think he recently visited Tulane.
Southern Miss
https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/1783877724177563999
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Posted by Gwmayhem 4/26/2024 12:07 pm | #255 |
There used to be concerns about 22 year old athletes making sure that they weren't being ripped off by unscrupulous agents. Now, we have these concerns about 18 and 19 year olds who hire NIL agents who are likely not to be accredited in any way. And if we're going to bring up pressure, imagine putting yourself into the portal, hearing from dozens of schools daily, being told not to make a move elsewhere because we are just getting our NIL package for you, only to be later told that there will be no NIL money or offer because someone better came along, and then continuing to play this game of musical chairs over what amounts to a 6 week period. Then of course comes to the move to a new school which, if things don't work out, puts you right back into this game again the following year.
This is an example of the unintended ramifications which result from a system that was never intended to resemble what it's become yet is predictably the case. Remember the meaning of "Name, Image, and Likeness?" It was never going to be this. Instead, paying the players has resulted in highest bidders and annual unrestricted free agency and unqualified agents and jealousy among teammates. One school recently acknowledged that it thought it was in good shape since its NIL budget tripled this year, only to find that others they compete against had quintupled its NIL budgets.
Danj, your post is downright bazaar. Players finally do have the right to make money, and what the marketplace is dictating is that in many cases, it will require a substantial financial package to retain a player. The players (and their agents) are now the ones calling the shots and your concern is the amount of pressure placed on them to stay at a school? Am not exactly shedding a tear for them under these circumstances.
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Posted by GWRising 4/26/2024 12:12 pm | #256 |
There used to be concerns about 22 year old athletes making sure that they weren't being ripped off by unscrupulous agents. Now, we have these concerns about 18 and 19 year olds who hire NIL agents who are likely not to be accredited in any way. And if we're going to bring up pressure, imagine putting yourself into the portal, hearing from dozens of schools daily, being told not to make a move elsewhere because we are just getting our NIL package for you, only to be later told that there will be no NIL money or offer because someone better came along, and then continuing to play this game of musical chairs over what amounts to a 6 week period. Then of course comes to the move to a new school which, if things don't work out, puts you right back into this game again the following year.
This is an example of the unintended ramifications which result from a system that was never intended to resemble what it's become yet is predictably the case. Remember the meaning of "Name, Image, and Likeness?" It was never going to be this. Instead, paying the players has resulted in highest bidders and annual unrestricted free agency and unqualified agents and jealousy among teammates. One school recently acknowledged that it thought it was in good shape since its NIL budget tripled this year, only to find that others they compete against had quintupled its NIL budgets.
Danj, your post is downright bazaar. Players finally do have the right to make money, and what the marketplace is dictating is that in many cases, it will require a substantial financial package to retain a player. The players (and their agents) are now the ones calling the shots and your concern is the amount of pressure placed on them to stay at a school? Am not exactly shedding a tear for them under these circumstances.
Gwmayhem, it's bizarre not bazaar. But your malaprop is right on target because it's like a bazaar of players for schools with NIL money. Just messing with you.
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Posted by GW0509 4/26/2024 1:35 pm | #257 |
Get ready for college students transferring around until their 30s. Chris Ledlum and Jordan Dingle have filed suit in NY to enjoin the NCAA from enforcing the rule that limits participation to four seasons. It also sort of sounds like they are challenging the NCAA's ability to determine eligibility at all.
They claim "there are dire consequences for student athletes that the NCAA labels ineligible. Consequences include: loss of scholarship, inhibited professional prospects, and inability to leverage Name, Image, and Likeness (“NIL”) opportunities." Both were Ivy league players who did not get a 5th "COVID year" because the Ivy league chose not to play any games in 2020-2021. FWIW, they've both played 4 full seasons of basketball and have been in college for 5 years already.
Both are in the NBA Draft process and claim to be at "a significant disadvantage from their peers who had the opportunity to showcase five years of competition versus Mr. Ledlum and Mr. Dingle who were only able to showcase four." They are seeking an injunction because schools assume they can't compete anymore, and their coach Rick Pitino will fill their spots on the roster.
Ledlum v NCAA complaint .pdf - Google Drive
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Posted by Gwmayhem 4/26/2024 1:44 pm | #258 |
LOL, GWRising. That was rather bizarre on my part. Good catch.
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Posted by GWRising 4/26/2024 2:56 pm | #259 |
Get ready for college students transferring around until their 30s. Chris Ledlum and Jordan Dingle have filed suit in NY to enjoin the NCAA from enforcing the rule that limits participation to four seasons. It also sort of sounds like they are challenging the NCAA's ability to determine eligibility at all.
They claim "there are dire consequences for student athletes that the NCAA labels ineligible. Consequences include: loss of scholarship, inhibited professional prospects, and inability to leverage Name, Image, and Likeness (“NIL”) opportunities." Both were Ivy league players who did not get a 5th "COVID year" because the Ivy league chose not to play any games in 2020-2021. FWIW, they've both played 4 full seasons of basketball and have been in college for 5 years already.
Both are in the NBA Draft process and claim to be at "a significant disadvantage from their peers who had the opportunity to showcase five years of competition versus Mr. Ledlum and Mr. Dingle who were only able to showcase four." They are seeking an injunction because schools assume they can't compete anymore, and their coach Rick Pitino will fill their spots on the roster.
Ledlum v NCAA complaint .pdf - Google Drive
Outstanding! I'm back!!!! Time to get that NIL money I didn't get in the 1980's 
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Posted by GW Alum Abroad 4/26/2024 3:29 pm | #260 |
GWrising just outed himself. His real name is JJ Brade.
