Posted by Gwmayhem ![]() 4/16/2025 9:27 am | #1 |
My sense is that turning down who seemingly would have been a very good player for GW due to academics is worthy of its own thread. I could be totally wrong about this but in this day and age of NIL and transfer portals, I don't even hear about athletes being turned down due to academics anymore. Sure, a school can still stand behind its mission of being an academic institution first, which is of course what GW has done in this instance. Nevertheless, what we've seen happen around the country is as follows:
1. Schools have received way too much revenue on the backs of talented athletes who until recently, were not legally paid to represent the school (except in the form of a scholarship which many would argue is not the same as being paid).
2. Players are essentially competing on year-to-year contracts with the freedom to transfer without restrictions and the right to earn more money over time (or I suppose in some cases, this may translate to less money contingent upon job performance).
3. The net effects of the above points are that players are playing as much for themselves today than ever before. The school has become their employer which certainly may carry the implication to recruit the most successful basketball team possible regardless of academics. It would be naive to think that this isn't the mantra across many U.S. college campuses.
This is a long way of saying that when it comes to recruiting athletes, holding academics up as an important criterion for admission may today be regarded as an obsolete premise. Being a member of the Atlantic 10 does the school no favors. On the one hand, the conference isn't routinely competitive enough to cite that its member schools are truly competing for national championships (perhaps implying that academics need to greatly matter). On the other hand, the conference is far more competitive, and by definition produces more revenue, than say The Patriot League whose member schools might be better suited to cry "academics first". Without knowing who the recent player was or how close he came to meting GW's academic standards, it stands to reason that this young man would likely be accepted by almost all other A10 schools with the possible exceptions of Davidson and Richmond (perhaps Loyola too though I am not sure how they fit in academically).
If this all sounds like frustration, I understand that I am preaching to the choir. This school has suffered so many self-inflicted wounds and frankly, scandals, that it's become increasingly more difficult to witness any further ones. It's been over 20 years since the last time GW took "big swings" on behalf of its basketball program, and moves like admitting Omar Williams, Maureece Rice, Carl Elliott and JR Pinnock all paid off handsomely until a certain former school president who never met a microphone that he wouldn't incessantly ramble into made some regrettable remarks that immediately tarnished those team's successes. Since this time, "all ties go to" Rice Hall with everyone from a prolific playmaker (Jeremy Wise) to the son of arguably the greatest player ever to play for GW (Darnell Rogers) being told that they can't play for GW due to academics.
Am sure Rising might be best suited to answer the question of What Needs To Happen though I would understand if he, like the rest of us, lacked any real answers to this question. If the Board and our new President are behind the decision to hold academics in the highest regard, then we seriously might as well leave the A10 because we will be making it next to impossible to be competitive on a regular basis. Yet the positive vibes we've been spoon-fed suggest that everyone is now aligned, that building up the program is of the utmost priority. Buy your season tickets, contribute to NIL, don't forget donating to GW in general, because we are committed to building an upper echelon program. And then, this!
Finally, the counterargument to all of this is that the school's position could have been (of course we aren't privy to this) that the player in question wasn't anywhere close to meeting GW's academic requirements, that they perhaps could have made an exception had this been a closer call. Again, I would counter this by suggesting that schools today are providing job opportunities, not just educational opportunities. The player in question is 100% qualified to do the job that GW would have hired him to do. Once on campus, education should remain a part of this (a job responsibility, so to speak) and if the player arrives on campus but never attends a class or takes an exam, of course he should get fired and lose his job and scholarship. But to deny him the right to even land this job for reasons having nothing to do with why he is truly being recruited to attend GW in the first place is hypocrisy at its finest. Maybe this wasn't true even 3 years ago, but times have changed. Someone should enlighten the folks inside of Rice Hall.
Posted by GW0509 ![]() 4/16/2025 10:29 am | #2 |
I think there needs to be a distinction between meeting "academic requirements" and meeting "degree requirements." With so much transferring these days, there have been examples of kids either returning to their old school or not being able to transfer to a new school because their transcripts are just so messed up. If I'm not mistaken, Jalen Haynes at Mason sat out his first year there in part because his transcript was a jumbled mess and some Mason fans believed he was going to return to Mason because of it (obviously Cincinnatti found a way to get him in). URI had a similar issue a few years back getting a UNC transfer in.
With that said, we were able to get Drumgoole in last year even though he was at 3 schools previously, so the challenge is not insurmountable. I think transcript issues happen more often than we know, it's just not widely reported.
Posted by DC Native ![]() 4/16/2025 10:46 am | #3 |
Gwmayhem wrote:
If the Board and our new President are behind the decision to hold academics in the highest regard, then we seriously might as well leave the A10 because we will be making it next to impossible to be competitive on a regular basis.
I think the problem is that what we as fans consider to be competitive (competing for an A10 championship and going to the NCAA Tournament) and what the President and Board consider to be competitive are two completely different things. I am as far from an insider as there is on this board, but my guess is that the President and Board just want to make sure that the program is good enough to maintain its current attendance numbers and revenue stream. So they are probably content with staying around 0.500 in conference. As a result, they probably don't see the need to bend the rules to bring in the players needed to exceed that. And since they don't care about conference championships and NCAA Tournament appearances, there is no incentive to leave the A10 for a lesser conference, as that would just result in less attendance at games and, more importantly, less revenue.
So I imagine the challenge for Caputo is that he must do the best he can within the current restraints. As long as he stays in the middle of the pack in conference, he can keep his job. If he does better, that's great, but they do not appear willing to change the rules of the game to help him make that happen.
Posted by Gwmayhem ![]() 4/16/2025 3:30 pm | #4 |
DC Native wrote:
Gwmayhem wrote:
If the Board and our new President are behind the decision to hold academics in the highest regard, then we seriously might as well leave the A10 because we will be making it next to impossible to be competitive on a regular basis.
I think the problem is that what we as fans consider to be competitive (competing for an A10 championship and going to the NCAA Tournament) and what the President and Board consider to be competitive are two completely different things. I am as far from an insider as there is on this board, but my guess is that the President and Board just want to make sure that the program is good enough to maintain its current attendance numbers and revenue stream. So they are probably content with staying around 0.500 in conference. As a result, they probably don't see the need to bend the rules to bring in the players needed to exceed that. And since they don't care about conference championships and NCAA Tournament appearances, there is no incentive to leave the A10 for a lesser conference, as that would just result in less attendance at games and, more importantly, less revenue.
So I imagine the challenge for Caputo is that he must do the best he can within the current restraints. As long as he stays in the middle of the pack in conference, he can keep his job. If he does better, that's great, but they do not appear willing to change the rules of the game to help him make that happen.
DC Native, I realize your remarks are more of a "gut feel" and not necessarily based on reality, but if there's any truth to what you're suggesting, then the answer is simple. If the goal is to maintain the status quo and be nothing more than a middle-of-the-road program within the A10, then cut everything in half. Ticket prices, sponsorship levels, concession and parking costs, club memberships, everything. Simply divide by 2. Charging full price or making meaningful donations ought to be reserved for programs who aspire to win championships.
Posted by Basketball Jones ![]() 4/16/2025 5:16 pm | #5 |
Gwmayhem wrote:
DC Native wrote:
Gwmayhem wrote:
If the Board and our new President are behind the decision to hold academics in the highest regard, then we seriously might as well leave the A10 because we will be making it next to impossible to be competitive on a regular basis.
I think the problem is that what we as fans consider to be competitive (competing for an A10 championship and going to the NCAA Tournament) and what the President and Board consider to be competitive are two completely different things. I am as far from an insider as there is on this board, but my guess is that the President and Board just want to make sure that the program is good enough to maintain its current attendance numbers and revenue stream. So they are probably content with staying around 0.500 in conference. As a result, they probably don't see the need to bend the rules to bring in the players needed to exceed that. And since they don't care about conference championships and NCAA Tournament appearances, there is no incentive to leave the A10 for a lesser conference, as that would just result in less attendance at games and, more importantly, less revenue.
So I imagine the challenge for Caputo is that he must do the best he can within the current restraints. As long as he stays in the middle of the pack in conference, he can keep his job. If he does better, that's great, but they do not appear willing to change the rules of the game to help him make that happen.DC Native, I realize your remarks are more of a "gut feel" and not necessarily based on reality, but if there's any truth to what you're suggesting, then the answer is simple. If the goal is to maintain the status quo and be nothing more than a middle-of-the-road program within the A10, then cut everything in half. Ticket prices, sponsorship levels, concession and parking costs, club memberships, everything. Simply divide by 2. Charging full price or making meaningful donations ought to be reserved for programs who aspire to win championships.
I fully understand that the point is full conjecture, but if true, it is damming for this program
I believe it is even worse than that. If that approach becomes public knowledge than
1) No good coaches want to come here
2) hose coaches are not able to bring good players to the program
3) donations - both university and NIL dry up
4) student attendance drops
and the program settles to the bottom quarter of the A-10
after a few years of that the program moves to the CAA or Patriot League
Posted by jf ![]() 4/16/2025 6:26 pm | #6 |
Part of our mantra is that for nearly 10 years, we have aspired to and embraced mediocrity
as noted above, following the self-demolition of our successful program.
Glad it wasn't worse and it's certainly progress from last year, but not thrilled with a 9-9 finish in conference, or 10-10 with 3 losses to Mason.
Basically, we've embraced the "Lowered Expectations" Dating Service from a Saturday Night
Live skit.
We have other problems at the moment, including apparently Admissions.
But for next year, we need not to have a shameful OOC schedule. Were we really dead last or
near dead last for D1 in the country?
We took ourselves out of any chance for the NCAA non-automatic bid (and the A-10 will ultimately
get them again) and the NIT. St. Bonaventure has basically the same record (admittedly plus the ability to
draw a much bigger home crowd) and made the NIT.
There were times when we expected an NCAA bid every several years and probably an NIT appearance in between.
The Crown this year was a nice makeup for missing the two established tourneys and the money (which we didn't earn or get) was a draw for the team and the game was another chance for us fans. But we got our head handed to us by Boise State, which is not like
playing Duke in the NCAA. It wasn't worth it if we had known we were in for a serious butt-kicking.
(Disclaimer for any good recruits: this means you can help lead us to glory, make money and go to a good school while doing it)
Imagine there'll be vehement disagreement from one quarter and maybe others.
We let this patsy playing go on for several years.
But this half-ass schedule hurts us and has to go.
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