If nothing else, this thread shows how completely unstable, unglued and faux elitist Trump has made the Left in America. They project onto Trump and his supporters everything they wish they could be - (recently the nasty, racist, hate-filled and sexist people are the violent and angry Leftists - for example, right here in DC you have white ANTIFA protesters nightly yelling the n word at black police officers ... go figure). Yeah sure, guys like Herschel Walker, Ben Carson, Leo Terrell, Jim Brown, Burgess Owens, Larry Elder, Dan Cameron, Tim Scott, and women like Candace Owens, Kim Klacik, Alveida King, just to name a few, are racist, sexist, hate-filled individuals fully on board with killing and lynching folks based on the color of their own skin just to support Trump. Who knew lol? The absurdity of this amazes me. The Left claims Trump is an irredeemable racist and we have systematic racism (which I don't disagree with) but are all too happy to replace him with a full 40-year plus legacy of racism by Joe Biden. They also claim Trump is a dictator but they want the federal government and federal courts to be all powerful (see views on the electoral college, federal pre-emption. education standards, etc.). The Left doesn't like the police and thinks the police engage in violent abuses but then says only the police should have weapons. This thinking would actually set the conditions for an actual dictatorship not the fake one you think exists now. If crass political hypocrisy had a screen name I'd bet it go by the name of Gwmayhem, 22 and F or Thomas. Sorry boys the cult of narcissism, dictators and oppression always starts on the Left borne out by history time and time again.Trump isn't perfect, far from it, but there is a large gulf between that and what you ascribe to him or now to 40% of his supporters across the country (which would be about 140 million people). Trump didn't create himself ... you created him with the policies mentioned, the elitist dismissal of a lot of the country and the repeated hyperbole that everyone who doesn't agree with you.on every issue is a racist, sexist, hate-filled individual. You guys must have forgot that you thought Bush, McCain and Romney were also that guy. Only in Washington DC, New York City and California (and perhaps at GW) does anyone give this tired and false group think crap any credence. It's why you were shocked in 2016 and likely will be again if you (or really Biden/Harris) decide to dismiss large swaths of the country as just racist, sexist and hate-filled. It's really mind-boggling that apparently educated people have so little confidence in the power of their ideas and policies that the only way they can engage is to dismiss others as racist, sexist or hate-filled in order to avoid getting to the merits of ideas..It's a very weak play both intellectually and morally...
 

We need a Third Party that represents the vast majority of Americans who believe in Common Sense. I watched a BBC program which made a point that politicians in the UK and US sole job is to be re-elected and do nothing AND get paid for doing nothing. Trump got elected because he was a protest vote against both parties. It's insane to have a president who wants to pardon himself and one from the other side that thinks it a crime to let the US public know what she was up to.   What's the approval rate of Congress, 29%?! Blah, blah, blah and do Nothing.  Well, might as well vote twice, like they do in Georgia, and cancel out both of my votes.  I knew the country was screwed in 1964 when the Roman, er, I mean, the United States Empire debased it's silver coins by putting copper or whatever  into the dimes and quarters. 

Gwmayhem wrote:

Everyone who doesn't agree with me on every issue is a racist, sexist, hate-filled individual?  Boy, you know me so well.

Meanwhile, in the time that it took for you to write that, Trump's legal defense for a rape he allegedly committed well before he was ever president is now being paid for by taxpayer dollars since it's the DOJ that's representing him.  And, the Woodward tapes have surfaced with Trump loud and clearly stating that he knew how deadly Covid-19 was back in February, therefore lying to all Americans with his attempt to downplay the virus.  Think about how many more lives could have been saved if only this wasn't an election year.  Shameful?  Disgraceful?  No, they haven't created the word that's strong enough to describe this.

Quite the horse you insist on backing.

I'm not backing any horse other than common sense who is undefeated all time lol. DOJ has the right to intervene in civil cases that involve the President. And as for Trump downplaying the virus, mistakes were definitely madeby the Administration. But you should recall that both parties were briefed on it and Dems downplayed it as well in February including opposing the travel ban. Plus a lot of lives could have been saved if the governors of NY and NJ didn't have their hands in nursing home policy. So while you want to blame Trump for everything, he had a whole lot of help with this one. Nobody has clean hands here.

GWRising wrote:

Gwmayhem wrote:

Everyone who doesn't agree with me on every issue is a racist, sexist, hate-filled individual?  Boy, you know me so well.

Meanwhile, in the time that it took for you to write that, Trump's legal defense for a rape he allegedly committed well before he was ever president is now being paid for by taxpayer dollars since it's the DOJ that's representing him.  And, the Woodward tapes have surfaced with Trump loud and clearly stating that he knew how deadly Covid-19 was back in February, therefore lying to all Americans with his attempt to downplay the virus.  Think about how many more lives could have been saved if only this wasn't an election year.  Shameful?  Disgraceful?  No, they haven't created the word that's strong enough to describe this.

Quite the horse you insist on backing.

I'm not backing any horse other than common sense who is undefeated all time lol. DOJ has the right to intervene in civil cases that involve the President. And as for Trump downplaying the virus, mistakes were definitely madeby the Administration. But you should recall that both parties were briefed on it and Dems downplayed it as well in February including opposing the travel ban. Plus a lot of lives could have been saved if the governors of NY and NJ didn't have their hands in nursing home policy. So while you want to blame Trump for everything, he had a whole lot of help with this one. Nobody has clean hands here.

GWRising, the states received their information mostly from the White House. So they were fed many of the same lies that were fed by Trump to the American public.  Through hard work and good reporting, light is being shed on the truth now.  I must admit, it's hard to sort through all the lies and redirection spewed by Fox News and the conservative right in general. But if you want the truth it's there now. 

On another note, the latest tactic of the administration stirring up violence in many major American cities and then telling the state governments to control it or they'll send in the military is really sick too.

Mike K wrote:

Whether Trump is right, wrong or indifferent, he makes the left go nuts, no matter what he does.  He will make outrageous statements with part of the rationale to troll them, and they fall for it all the time. 

Right, wrong or indifferent, the left claims to be be tolerant ("the tolerant left").  But the moment someone, some group, or members of some group have a different thought than the majority, the left begins the name calling and attempts to ostracize the person or persons.

Third party needed!!

Exactly. Reminds me of the William F. Buckley quote:“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
 

The DOJ has the right to represent the president in civil cases?  Cases involving him before he took office?  Cases involving alleged rape?  

Here is an article from the NYT which describes the move as highly unusual, fairly uncommon, and shocking.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/nyregion/donald-trump-jean-carroll-lawsuit-rape.html

I guess you're not too bothered that your hard earned tax dollars are going towards defending Trump against a rape charge.  I can only hope that most Americans have had enough of this shit.  That said, I'm not taking anything for granted.  If this country was dumb enough to elect him in the first place, it could certainly happen again.

Mike K, it's pretty insulting to suggest that the Democrats are "falling for" Trump's trolling.  My God, he is the President of the United States.  He should not be trolling in the first place.  And, is he trolling 24/7?  How about when he's just being himself, a genuine asshole?  Is that considered trolling?  Democrats aren't falling for anything.  They just want a reputable leader to be this country's president.  Really shouldn't be too much to ask.

Remarkable that Rising fancies himself as a fan of common sense.  Common sense would absolutely suggest a completely different attitude towards Trump than the one he has.  Unless it's just common sense to respect the actions of a president who is a chronic liar, white supremacist, sexist, moron, disrespectful, immoral ass.  Oh and I almost forgot...let's add alleged rapist to the list.  Common sense?  Really?
 

Please consider your comments before you hit submit.  While I created this sub-forum for topics that were not appropriate for the main board and especially those topics that we have been there and done that over and over.  However, the rules still apply here.  The danger of including political topics on here is that it creates a perfect environment for personal attacks.  Until now, I have quietly sat back as this topic evolved.  I urge you to consider how and what you say on here.  Voicing your opinion is great, but let's ensure it doesn't get personal.

Thank you, gentlemen.

P.S.:  I have my own opinions on this very important topic and my comments here should not be construed as being in support of anyone other than GW Hoops. 

"People of color is this country have been dismissed, ignored, shunned, beaten-down, beat-up, lied to, lied about, cheated, abused and much worse." On this we agree 100%.

However, that doesn't automatically mean that Trump or almost all of his supporters would be willing to or are doing the same. If I thought otherwise, there would be no argument from me. Trump being bombastic and at times insensitive are a far cry from having policies that support racism. To the contrary, he has supported the First Step Act, historic funding for HBCU's and Economic Opportunity Zones in urban areas. That's an interesting record for a guy who some folks charge is the worst racist on the planet. In addition, he would have supported a police reform bill introduced by Senator Tim Scott but it never made it to the Senate floor because as usual the Democrats needed to keep the canard alive that Republicans don't care about George Floyd just through the election.

The conflation between our ugly racial history and virtually every Republican since Goldwater who has ever run for office continues unabated. I see you have subscribed to it. That is a shame and actually makes resolution of the legitimate issues you speak of much harder to achieve.
 

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Gwmayhem wrote:

The DOJ has the right to represent the president in civil cases?  Cases involving him before he took office?  Cases involving alleged rape?  

Here is an article from the NYT which describes the move as highly unusual, fairly uncommon, and shocking.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/08/nyregion/donald-trump-jean-carroll-lawsuit-rape.html

I guess you're not too bothered that your hard earned tax dollars are going towards defending Trump against a rape charge. 
 

Perhaps you should read this ... https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/doj-s-move-defend-trump-defamation-suit-isn-t-without-n1239660.

This is a tort case that has to do solely with defamation. The alleged defamation occurred while Trump was President. The Westfall Act is fairly clear. You may not like it but the law exists for a reason.

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Gwmayhem wrote:

Thomas, the answer to your question presented in all caps is of course, nobody.  Woodward's first book about Trump did not include any interviews with the president.  Trump was displeased over how the book turned out and was angry at his advisors for suggesting that he not speak to the author.  In his classic "I can handle this myself better than anyone", Trump spoke to Woodward 18 times covering 9 hours for this new book.  He agreed to be tape recorded.  He rightfully sensed that Woodward did not like him very much and thought he could rectify this by speaking directly with him.  Many of the calls were initiated by Trump during some unconventional times of the day.  Talk about digging one's own grave.

Trump believing he could outsmart/get over on someone like Bob Woodward is hilarious!! Another hilarious development is how Tucker Carlson attempted to blame Trump's brazen stupidity on Lindsey Graham, who is one of Trump's biggest enablers!!

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