The Dude wrote:

FWIW, how about this list of NBA players from Southern Illinois??

Not that long ago they were also a multiple Sweet 16 team, 2007 and 2009Nine Salukis have gone on to play in the NBA:Chico Vaughn - St. Louis Hawks (1963–66), Detroit Pistons (1966-67)
Walt Frazier - New York Knicks (1968–77), Cleveland Cavaliers (1978–80)
Dick Garrett - Los Angeles Lakers (1970), Buffalo Braves (1971-73), New York Knicks (1974), Milwaukee Bucks (1974)
Nate Hawthorne - Los Angeles Lakers (1974), Phoenix Suns (1975–76)
Joe C. Meriweather - Houston Rockets (1976), Atlanta Hawks (1977), New Orleans Jazz (1978–79), Kansas City Kings (1981–85)
Mike Glenn - Buffalo Braves (1978), New York Knicks (1979-81), Atlanta Hawks (1982–85), Milwaukee Bucks (1986-87)
Ashraf Amaya - Vancouver Grizzlies (1996), Washington Bullets (1997)
Chris Carr - Phoenix Suns (1996), Minnesota Timberwolves (1997–98), New Jersey Nets (1999), Golden State Warriors (2000), Chicago Bulls (2000), Boston Celtics (2001)
Troy Hudson - Utah Jazz (1998), Los Angeles Clippers (1999-2000), Orlando Magic (2001-02), Minnesota Timberwolves (2003–07), Golden State Warriors (2007–08)

You know this isn't who we played, right?

I think Jim has the skill set - he just needs to adapt to being the focus of the defense.  Last year, the focus was on Bishop so Jim was able to exploit the fact that they were not going to double him most plays.  Stop Bishop stop GW.  Now it is stop Jun stop GW.  He has good passing instincts- he needs to get his team to hit shots early (hopefully) and that will open up the lane for him a ton.

The Ross-Man! wrote:

The Dude wrote:

FWIW, how about this list of NBA players from Southern Illinois??

Not that long ago they were also a multiple Sweet 16 team, 2007 and 2009Nine Salukis have gone on to play in the NBA:Chico Vaughn - St. Louis Hawks (1963–66), Detroit Pistons (1966-67)
Walt Frazier - New York Knicks (1968–77), Cleveland Cavaliers (1978–80)
Dick Garrett - Los Angeles Lakers (1970), Buffalo Braves (1971-73), New York Knicks (1974), Milwaukee Bucks (1974)
Nate Hawthorne - Los Angeles Lakers (1974), Phoenix Suns (1975–76)
Joe C. Meriweather - Houston Rockets (1976), Atlanta Hawks (1977), New Orleans Jazz (1978–79), Kansas City Kings (1981–85)
Mike Glenn - Buffalo Braves (1978), New York Knicks (1979-81), Atlanta Hawks (1982–85), Milwaukee Bucks (1986-87)
Ashraf Amaya - Vancouver Grizzlies (1996), Washington Bullets (1997)
Chris Carr - Phoenix Suns (1996), Minnesota Timberwolves (1997–98), New Jersey Nets (1999), Golden State Warriors (2000), Chicago Bulls (2000), Boston Celtics (2001)
Troy Hudson - Utah Jazz (1998), Los Angeles Clippers (1999-2000), Orlando Magic (2001-02), Minnesota Timberwolves (2003–07), Golden State Warriors (2007–08)

You know this isn't who we played, right?

I believe Doug Collins, 76er and NBA coach went to Illinois State.

Free Quebec wrote:

Great win. Drumgoole deserved a shout out. He made I thought 2 key defensive plays that turned the game. One was when he stepped up perfectly on the double team and drew a foul on Walker that got Walker out of the game. Then about a minute later, he had a spectacular block at the rim (and secured the rebound himself).

Tremendous work from Drumgoole. His best game of the year and I hope he can keep bringing that defense.

Will also add, this was a really good win to prepare us for the A10. Redbirds were packing it down and we were settling for drive and kicks that we mostly missed or were afraid to shoot. But then we just ground it out, getting inside (which then opened up different kinds of threes for Autry, Drumgoole, and Hutch). And at the same time we were outstanding on defense. We absolutely took three three ball away from them for almost the whole game, but especially the key last 15 minutes - and we did it without getting beat inside.

This should bump our KenPom a couple of spots (I’d guess 140), and it’s good to see that our play on the court matches that rating. We are clearly improved, especially on the defensive end. Need to keep focused and get better every game.

Long Monday ROFL, yes, two different schools, whoops well....OI VEY at least GW won, E-discovery can fry the brain, so can watching Saquon Barkley run for 255 yards... for the Eagles thank goodness for a good Virgin Isles trip for our GW squad.  Hell yes forgot to mention Drumgoole he was VERY impressive.  

DrumGOOD!!! DrumVeryGOOD!!  Liberty won the Tourney and at 7-1 with a KenPom of 53, dont sleep on them for an at large bid potential.  Very solid squad.

Well, might as well look at the Southern Illinois NBA products....Redbirds drafted into the NBA:

 Year Player Position Round Overall   NBA Team
1973  Doug Collins SG 1 1  Philadelphia 76ers The #1 overall pick of the NBA Draft 

1975 Robert Hawkins SF351Golden State Warriors
1977  Jeff WilkinsC237San Antonio Spurs
1999   Rico HillSF231Los Angeles Clippers
 

Last edited by The Dude (11/26/2024 11:39 am)

Great comeback win! Coming into the game I was worried about how we were going to stop Illinois State on offense. I did not expect by halftime to be wondering how we were going to put up points instead. Credit ISU for a great defensive game plan - they have a nice team, but it seemed like they were worn down by the end of the game.

It feels like I've called out the defense in like 80% of posts the past two years so I'll give credit where it's due. GW played some of the best 40 minutes of D under CC yesterday afternoon. There were still some mismatches exploited due to switching (like Autry having to guard Walker) but it was known that ISU was potent from deep, and they had few open looks. I liked the double team on Walker in the second half, but it was the way that the team did it. It was slightly "delayed" which I think threw the Redbirds off a bit. Credit the guards for recovering fast and contesting the threes when the ball was passed back out along the perimeter. ISU made some tough floaters - Banks in particular had some crazy finishes posting up down low as a guard.

As others have mentioned, this is the kind of game that helps the team learn some things, even if it had been a loss. Against even decent competition, CC can't just have Jun barrel defenders going downhill. It took probably more time than it should have (perhaps that was by design?) to get Jun the ball at different parts of the court outside the top of the key. When he posted up, it caused ISU to collapse and send double teams his way, and he is of course a great passer to find guys like Autry and Drumgoole in the corner. Jun's three point shot looked better against Louisiana, but so many of his attempts just hit the backboard and aren't close to going in. Still outside of that, Buchanan is the exact kind of player I want leading the team. I love his personality outside of basketball - he is super easy to root for and is a great representative of the university. It was also mentioned on the broadcast that he's second in the nation in double doubles? That's impressive regardless of the competition GW has faced. We are fortunate to have him.

Shout out to Gerald Drumgoole. I know people say Kenner performances don't translate to the season (which is mostly true) but his showing as a shooter over the summer made the start to his season confusing. He was definitely a better shooter than he showed. Defensively, his hustle made the difference in key moments - blocking what would have been an easy layup for ISU and getting on the floor for a loose ball. I also really liked that he varied his shot selection - when he took the ball inside and when he shot it from outside. That's something that will be key to GW's season moving forward - live by the three, die by the three will not always be a winning formula. The Revs hit some timely threes, but they cut the lead by going inside as well.

Having Autry step up as a shooter has been huge - most of his shots have been nothing but net. The key with him moving forward will be keeping his confidence high when adversity hits later in the season. I still prefer him as a microwave scorer from off the bench but he was great yesterday, including defensively. I am still going to defend Moss, but it will be tough to continue to do so if he is going to take 6-7 threes a game and go under 30% from those attempts. I liked his first attempt - assisted and open in the corner to get GW on the board. When he has the ball in his hands though and launches from the top of the key, I do not like it as much.

Rafael did not have as dominant of a game - credit Walker of ISU. He did a great job on both sides when not in foul trouble. Hopefully Jacoi can get it going shooting the ball again soon (I wonder how much his injury has played a role). This seemed like a much better matchup for Sean and he did some good things defensively as well when he was in the game.

Sadly we are going to once again return to uninteresting matchups for the next month. Hopefully this ISU game will convince CC to schedule a home and home with a MVC team. The physicality of teams from the conference is a good test for GW.
 

As others have said, glad to see the toughness of coming back and the nice coaching adjustments. I feel like in previous years the team may have just folded and got blown out.

Gwmayhem wrote:

Of course he knows this.  It really doesn't matter to him if he comes off looking like a genius or an idiot.  Just as long as he gets a reaction.  This is what trolls do.

Don't think this is a troll, just a mix up. If this was by another poster I don't think anybody would notice.

Sorry to have opened this can of worms, but I am also pretty tired of the ad hominems. The Dude started another game thread with a short post, people complained that the Dude posts too much, but then some other poster started another game thread with a similar short post, no comment. I don't understand the opposition here. 

Just be nice folks. If you don't like what a poster says, just move on. This isn't twitter. 

Example, folks complaining about the Dude starting a game thread https://gwhoops.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=2202
Even shorter game thread by another poster, no complaints https://gwhoops.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=2206

Last edited by squid (11/26/2024 2:38 pm)

How many wins in conference would we consider a success for this season?

I would be happy with one 10 wins, with at least one over st joes/loyola/vcu/dayton and no blowout losses.

Hoopsfan23 wrote:

How many wins in conference would we consider a success for this season?

I would be happy with one 10 wins, with at least one over st joes/loyola/vcu/dayton and no blowout losses.

10 is about what I would be happy with too, though I think "success" is a little different and would be more than 10, maybe like 11-12, and agree that some should be wins against the top teams. Always enjoy beating Dayton and VCU.