JC should be canned if this happens

Steve Urkel wrote:

JC should be canned if this happens

Yeah, but I think all of us would be surprised if JC lost his job at 13-17 this season.  It shows how the low the expectations are for GW men's basketball.  With the cupcake laded early schedule there should be no excuse for not having a winning record this season
Here's year 3 for pervious coaches. 
Year 3
Lonergan 24-9
Hobbs 18-12 (Seven years later he got fired after a 17-14 season, but now are we going to be ok with a sub .500 record?)
Penders 14-18. (he was fired after this season.)
Jarvis 21-9
Kuester 13-15 (He kept his job, it was on his way to 1-27)
Gimelstob 17-12  (Fired after next season going 14-14.
 

I don't blame the negative outlook based on the past couple seasons. I'm going to say 15-16 wins. Not based on really anything other than unbridled optimism (seems real smart, I know!). We have yet to see a cohesive defense on the floor. On paper, we do have some promising pieces on that end, and hopefully that translates to us playing man more (even with the Lee injury). I swear if I have to see that zone defense again this season...

More or less agree with the OOC predictions, especially given we're basically putting a new team on the floor which will take some time to come together. Even with the short west coast trip turnaround, I would hope that UC San Diego is a W because they aren't going to be any good next season. I could see Fullerton being a disappointment given they do have some offensive talent on the roster (they don't play a lick of defense though).

We're going to have to do better in A10 play than 5-13. We won more A10 games than that in JC's first year. Another bottom 4 finish would be a massive disappointment this season. Hoping for at least seven (maybe eight) wins in conference play this year. Games like St. Joe's (even with Hall), La Salle, and Fordham should be winnable. I could also see Duquesne/Mason/URI being a split (or better). I'm not particularly high on URI. I only worry a bit about Mitchell down low given the hole at the 5 without Lee. I think UMass and Davidson are not out of question given neither team plays particularly good defense. The other teams are probably losses. I feel like Dayton is particularly a bad matchup given the number of bigs/rangy wings they have on their roster.

Really hoping we're finally in the top 200 of KenPom (ideally in the top 150-175 range). Whether guys like Adams, Harris, Lee, and Lindo return the following season would also play a role as to how high expectations should be this year. JC has tried to play up GW's grad school but we won't have enough continuity to lean on for higher expectations in year 4 (even with Bamisile, Bishop, and Freeman returning). Noel and Hunter are the key guys this season. JC's offense doesn't really require the bigs to do much, but given how much PnR-based the offense is, it would be nice to see the roll man used more to balance out off nights for the guards. I didn't really see Hunter being anything more than an energy guy for 15-20 minutes a game last season. Based on the scrimmage, I was a bit disappointed we didn't see him more as a stretch 5. Last year was crazy and he only had half a season to play so maybe he shows more this year. I really like Noel's potential but he is going to have to grow up real fast this season.
 

10 wins, 11 max. 4 wins in conference, two of them being the even more rock bottom Fordham program

non Leavgue            8-4
St. Francis -- W
at Maryland -- L
at UC San Diego -- L
at Fullerton -- W
UMass-Lowell -- W
Wright St -- L
Two other Naples game -- W, W
BU --W
at Charlotte -- L
Radford --W
UMES -- W

League          4-14
St. Bona -- L
at St. Joe's -- L
at Duquesne -- L
Dayton -- L
at VCU -- L
GMU -- L
at URI -- L
at St.L -- L
Fordham -- W
La Salle -- W
Davidson -- L
at UMass -- L
at Dayton -- L
URI -- L
Richmond -- L
at GMU -- L
Duquesne -- W
Fordham --W

This is a big season for JC I believe.Even without Lee they have much better athletes then they have had in the recent past.I think 15-15 is certainly reasonable.Enough with COVID excuse(most teams suffered as we did).I’ve got to say as an alum from 1969 I’m beginning (what took you so long?)to think that it’s time to seriously consider the Patriot League.I never thought I’d say that!-Our academic reputation is in serious decline and we are talking Bball!,I know this is a Bball site-duh-but Rome is burning.We’ve got to step it up
in the next 2 or 3 seasons or move on.One of my relatives was on the D111 Women’s National Champions
Amherst team.Frankly I would take that over a D1 NIT Championship.Forgive me for dumping this morning-
Im just frustrated with the interminable “how are we gonna do next year” stuff.

Well I suppose it would help this whole discussion if some realized that Coppin State was on the schedule and we have 31 total games pre-A 10 tournament.

That said, I will go with 9-4 OOC and 9-9 Conference leading to 18-13 heading into A-10 Tournament play.

By the way with Ira, I would have said:

10-3 OOC
11-7 A-10

So I believe Ira's loss will end up costing us about 3 wins. Hope I am wrong and there is no effect.
 

Last edited by GWRising (9/20/2021 2:51 pm)

I think15-16 wins.  There is too much talent from transfers to expect anything less.  The coaching staff needs to ensure they have the best group working together on the court and handle the egos.
I hope Coach sees the importance of winning these early games to build fan momentum and excitement rather than testing rotations and falling to inferior teams.
We need butts in seats to help rebuild the program and losing to teams like Morgan State or St Francis will not help.

LSF, I don't disagree with much of what you wrote except for one thing ... JC did not "blow up" the team. There was no pre-determined plan to "blow up" the team. Kids left because they either were not good fits for the systems JC wanted to run, did not like the school, or they realized their playing time would not be what it was in the past. There was not a single case where JC told someone to leave. It was more a sign of the times which was exacerbated by the change in coaching. Change brings change. 

GWRising wrote:

LSF, I don't disagree with much of what you wrote except for one thing ... JC did not "blow up" the team. There was no pre-determined plan to "blow up" the team. Kids left because they either were not good fits for the systems JC wanted to run, did not like the school, or they realized their playing time would not be what it was in the past. There was not a single case where JC told someone to leave. It was more a sign of the times which was exacerbated by the change in coaching. Change brings change. 

I tend to agree with Mayhem on this, Rising.   When there is a 100% turnover in such a brief period of time, I think it is a stretch to say that wasn't at least partially, if not totally, by design, even though nobody may have been "literally" kicked out the door.  There are other ways to communicate that you do not have a real future with the team and maybe its time to leave other than telling someone to leave.    Are you suggesting that wasn't the case with at least many of the departees, Rising?  And again, as a fan of the team, I am not saying this is a bad thing, but rather something that had to be done.  The negative flip side of this is that the coach was so impossible to work with that the players all bailed to get away from him (which I don't think is the case.)   But for the entire team (other than those out of eligibility or in Moyer's case because he had professional opportunities) to decide over a year's time, even in these times of easy transfer rules, it stretches credibility to think it was coincidence and not by design.   Just how many new guards can you add to a team before players like Brelsford and Ball conclude that maybe there is no future for them as a Colonial?

Last edited by Long Suffering Fan (9/23/2021 10:10 am)