OK, so if I'm understanding you correctly, MoJo was relieved of his duties, a search firm was hired, JC was then contacted and subsequently interviewed, other candidates were interviewed, JC's contract was then negotiated, and finally, JC was hired, all within a 6 day period?  That does sound fast for all of that to have happened.
 

GWRising knows what JC makes, knows he was contacted by St Joe's, etc?

Rising, what did JC get for Christmas? Just curious.

Joel Joseph wrote:

GWRising knows what JC makes, knows he was contacted by St Joe's, etc?

Rising, what did JC get for Christmas? Just curious.

There were tweets at the time stating this (St. Joseph's) from either Rothstein, Parrish or Goodman. I'll try and find them.

The contract info is based on what GW was generally offering in the process. I assume he at least got that but maybe more if his agent was really good.

But no I don't know what he got for Christmas lol.
 

At the risk of going where my opinion is irrelevant, I remain thrilled with the hire of JC and I don't really care how it happened.  You can be critical if you like, but my impression was (and remains) that it was a good decision to hire JC.  

Nothing said here will change my opinion.

I'm not interested in prolonging this discussion but I just don't like to see positions misrepresented.  Not one person here has said that JC was the wrong hire, or a bad hire, or for that matter, that he couldn't turn out to be a great coach for GW.  GWRising appears to be defending JC personally and that is not at all where the criticism lies.  The criticism is twofold:

1) GW's choice appears to have been financially motivated (a nicer way of saying on the cheap).  The reality is that JC is a young coach still in his 30's.  He certainly is making more than MoJo was but quite a bit less than Lonergan was.  By contrast, if the school was interested in Joe Dooley (and I'm not saying that they were or should have been), he would have commanded substantially more money.

2) The process in selecting JC appears to have been too quick to have been thorough.  Since Nate Oats's deal was done even more quickly at Alabama, let's review that.  Alabama did not employ a search firm and knew that Oats was the coach they wanted from the beginning.  He was arguably among the hottest midmajor coaches in the country.  Other candidates were not considered.  His salary tripled.  Alabama paid a $750,000 buyout to Buffalo.  That's how a deal gets done in 3 or 4 days.  So in GW's case, it does appear that JC was the guy they wanted all along for a deal to happen this quickly.  Thus, the criticism is given the state of the program, would it have been more prudent to take its time (not forever, but say 2-3 weeks) to carefully consider a number of choices.  This criticism has nothing to do with whether I or anyone wanted JC to get the job or not.  

With that, nothing more needs to be said on the matter.  Carry on.

Last edited by Gwmayhem (1/08/2020 10:46 am)

Gwmayhem wrote:

I'm not interested in prolonging this discussion but I just don't like to see positions misrepresented.  Not one person here has said that JC was the wrong hire, or a bad hire, or for that matter, that he couldn't turn out to be a great coach for GW.  GWRising appears to be defending JC personally and that is not at all where the criticism lies.  The criticism is twofold:

1) GW's choice appears to have been financially motivated (a nicer way of saying on the cheap).  The reality is that JC is a young coach still in his 30's.  He certainly is making more than MoJo was but quite a bit less than Lonergan was.  By contrast, if the school was interested in Joe Dooley (and I'm not saying that they were or should have been), he would have commanded substantially more money.

2) The process in selecting JC appears to have been too quick to have been thorough.  Since Nate Oats's deal was done even more quickly at Alabama, let's review that.  Alabama did not employ a search firm and knew that Oats was the coach they wanted from the beginning.  He was arguably among the hottest midmajor coaches in the country.  Other candidates were not considered.  His salary tripled.  Alabama paid a $750,000 buyout to Buffalo.  That's how a deal gets done in 3 or 4 days.  So in GW's case, it does appear that JC was the guy they wanted all along for a deal to happen this quickly.  Thus, the criticism is given the state of the program, would it have been more prudent to take its time (not forever, but say 2-3 weeks) to carefully consider a number of choices.  This criticism has nothing to do with whether I or anyone wanted JC to get the job or not.  

With that, nothing more needs to be said on the matter.  Carry on.

Yes something more needs to be said.

First, not defending JC in this thread, defending the process that led to JC. Two different things entirely. It is too soon to need to defend JC as no one should have formed a definitive opinion on his coaching yet.

Second, again, your statement as to how much JC makes is factually false.

Third, I notice you did not address St.. Joseph's that was 9 days. If you think Alabama was different, then how about:

Michigan - 9 days
Cincinnati - 5 days
Nebraska - 4 days
Virginia Tech - 4 days
Tulane - 8 days

Should I go on? Having been involved in multiple coach hiring processes for all size schools, I can assure you that there was nothing rushed or out of the norm about GW's process.
 

FQ, I am not suggesting that GW had no idea ahead of time that a coaching change was going to be made.  Of course they gave thought to who they would like as their next head coach well in advance.  But, you are not allowed to contact candidates under contract during the season.  

GWRising, I'll make it simple.  How many candidates did GW interview?  Were these all done in person or over the phone?  Was there a second round of interviews?  Was this a full-fledged effort to give consideration to a number of candidates or was this more of a "we know who we want so let's make this happen" situation like Nate Oats was?

If the answer is the former, I just find it hard to believe that this could all get done in 6 days but if this was the case, I apologize to the board for prolonging this.  If the answer is the latter, then I think what gets called into question is whether the school truly took its time in evaluating and weeding out candidates in the interest of reaching a deal as quickly as possible. 

Gwmayhem wrote:

FQ, I am not suggesting that GW had no idea ahead of time that a coaching change was going to be made.  Of course they gave thought to who they would like as their next head coach well in advance.  But, you are not allowed to contact candidates under contract during the season.  

GWRising, I'll make it simple.  How many candidates did GW interview?  Were these all done in person or over the phone?  Was there a second round of interviews?  Was this a full-fledged effort to give consideration to a number of candidates or was this more of a "we know who we want so let's make this happen" situation like Nate Oats was?

If the answer is the former, I just find it hard to believe that this could all get done in 6 days but if this was the case, I apologize to the board for prolonging this.  If the answer is the latter, then I think what gets called into question is whether the school truly took its time in evaluating and weeding out candidates in the interest of reaching a deal as quickly as possible. 

At least six were initially interviewed either in person or by Skype by TV; possibly more.. Three were brought back for 2nd in-person interviews which included the President, the Treasurer, I believe possibly at least one board member and TV. A decision was then made. 

I think the thing you are missing and consistent with Free Quebec's point, is that GW already had some names that they were interested in. As Free says, GW didn't wake up one day and decide to part ways with Mojo. It was well known that Mojo was going to go before it actually happened. GW got many resumes unsolicited - kind of the unseemly part of the business (i.e. before the body is cold). Believe it or not, impending coaching changes for performance are about the worst kept secret in the industry and everyone, through their agents and intermediaries, pre-positions. Also, GW, I am certain, reached out to the search firm to inquire what it would cost and the process if they went in that direction. This also happened well before Mojo was let go.

So when you keep harping on 6 days, it wasn't really 6 days as much of the ground work had been laid. It took 6 days to interview and reach a decision but the process was tee'd up well before.

Finally, if you have been observing coaching hires in all sports they are moving at warp speed these days. This is not like the old days. In the digital era, due diligence can be done very quickly.

Joel Joseph wrote:

The conversation will be put to rest when JC wins some games.
The process used by GW, even though expected, still stinks. We hired him on the cheap. The difference between JC and the other coach's hired (Buffalo, etc) is like between night and day. Successful coach's don't last. JC is not a PROVEN winner yet. He wasn't successful at MSM or Siena to warrant his hire at an A-10 school. He was hired because GW was in dire straights and he was the best option available to a school with both financial and reputation difficulties.

My biggest problem with him so far is he doesn't seem to have the experience to make the necessary half time adjustments. It wasn't that long ago when I felt confident of a GW win if we kept it close until half time, regardless of who we were playing. That's because our coach was better at making the necessary adjustments and having the players execute them. Those days are gone (just like wins over ranked teams like UVA, UMD, Dayton, VCU are gone for now).

Joel, you seem to forget that Nero destroyed the program. Which "PROVEN" winning coach did you think we would get? And when I say "PROVEN" I mean more "PROVEN" than JC who went to the tournament twice at MSM and took an 8-win Siena team in one year to 17 wins and never had a conference losing record in his 7 seasons. So my question is what PROVEN winning coach? Please name them. Me, I'd say GW was fortunate to get a coach of JC's caliber given all that transpired..

By your standards, you would have been out on Lonergan after two years and 23 total wins. Thank God GW didn't listen to you then. Although maybe unfortunately Nero listened to you later.
 

As my Rabbi would say..."And let us say Amen!"