GW Men's Hoops » 2025 Portal Info » 4/19/2025 11:28 am |
Long Suffering Fan wrote:
Should that be the case, they should just do away with the entire charade of "student athlete", or whatever is still remaining. Just have professional teams representing colleges and universities. No academic requirements, no scholarships, no classes. Just have them sign a contract for any length of time to play at an agreed salary. If you are a wash out in the NBA, just return to a college, as someone will be willing to pay you.
I feel like I'm watching a lot of Scarlett O'Hara's holding on to Tara. It's a new world.
An overview of private equity and compensation in college sports - WTW
GW Men's Hoops » 2025 Portal Info » 3/29/2025 8:46 am |
After 45 years as a dedicated fan of GW, basketball, season-ticket holder, club member, and contributor to NIL, I am now reasonably certain that I am done after this season.
There is no longer any meaningful connection between me the players and the university making it worth expending any more emotional energy and time. I don’t blame the players for acting like everyone else around them in getting a piece of the pie and I’m sad that this couldn’t have been fixed before the courts got involved.
Let the gamblers and big money folks have their way.
I really appreciate all those who post here and have made my involvement in the game that much more enjoyable, but life moves on, even after 45 years . God bless all of you.
GW Men's Hoops » GW vs Saint Joseph Game Thread » 2/19/2025 8:55 pm |
DC Native wrote:
I think they have more offensive boards on this possession than they usually have in a full game, lol.
0-10 in a single possession. Impressive.
GW Men's Hoops » GW BEATS vs Old Dominion Game » 12/07/2024 4:34 pm |
Both teams are hard to watch—which is an unfortunate theme for several years.
GW Men's Hoops » Time To Tell Your Friends » 10/24/2024 8:35 pm |
Mayhem, I am a sample size of one, but I don't post or read as much on the board because the college landscape has changed so dramatically that I've lost a lot of interest--and I'm a STH with other $$$ commitments to the program. We've discussed that ad nauseum in this space, but I simply don't have a strong desire to invest a lot of emotional energy into a sport where players come and go every year with no continuity or genuine emotional attachment to the school. Mid-majors like ours without a sustained commitment to paying players will constantly lose players to the higher paying P6 and larger mid-major larger state schools.
From an objective standpoint, I believe this will be the last season that closely resembles the GW basketball program that I loved as a student and alum. Even after a 1-27 season, I could always dream. Maybe when collective bargaining gets done in 5-10 years and GW plays in the relegation league I can "dream" again.
I'm not blaming the players nor am I bitter. However, as most relationship counselors will tell you, indifference is worse than fighting--and I've never felt this indifferent about GWMBB before. I just have better things to do with my time.
GW Men's Hoops » Do we have the NIL money to compete in the A-10? » 7/21/2024 10:33 am |
GW0509 wrote:
The one positive thing about NIL collectives is it cuts out the middle man. Gone are the days of complaining about GW’s inept athletics office or the meddling from administrators. Fans can basically self fund a basketball program.
However, the downside is what the article highlights. Someone has to finish last. What happens the year after you max out the credit card and don’t make the tournament?
Yes, fans can theoretically self-fund a basketball program. But I'm glad you didn't say we can self-fund a traditional D1 "college" basketball program because that's certainly not what it is. We are still in an evolving shake-out phase.
Folks, I'm not saying this with any joy, but the curtain is fast closing on GW basketball as we've hoped it could be and had flashes of in the past. Coaches like CC at GW have to make their own life choices. Can I make a decent living doing what I love and in a steady position or do I want to climb the coaching ladder and prove myself at the highest levels of the game, either as an assistant or a head coach. I'm sure a lot of assistants can also make really good money too if their coaching skills are so superior that they can help a top program win with new and different talent every year.
Notwithstanding some of the positives all of us can list here, the brutal truth is that with a very high degree of probability, GW cannot and will not be able to compete in this new environment.
GW Men's Hoops » House vs. NCAA » 6/01/2024 1:37 pm |
Ladies and gentlemen, the show is over. We can wax nostalgic all we want about the past, but we are never returning to the previous economic order. Sure, the NCAA tournament is alive for ten more years, but that's also a purely economic decision about mass nationwide appeal and TV $$$ in March. I'm sure all of the analytics are going into just quickly they can jettison the non-power conferences and sustain the football model with roughly 80 schools at the top. Like all new economic orders, time, experience, and the bottom line will be the ultimate arbiter of how things shake out.
Heck, forget the Joe Bamisiles of the world, we've only scratched the surface of where we might be headed in this new economic order.
The next phase of college sports we are likely to experience is the re-introduction of former college athletes who went pro and now pursue additional degrees or graduate studies. I can't imagine that there's an enforceable rule left today that would prohibit a former pro from playing in college. And what coach in a highly competitive setting wouldn't consider taking a tested 25 year old man to play for his team over an inexperienced 18 year old kid?
This applies to MBB, football, and baseball. My guess is that this will become most prevalent in baseball. For example, a 28 year-old baseball player drafted out of high school but reaching the point of where the show is just a pipe dream could achieve a lot by going back to school. How many professional football players never finsihed college and still have the physical capacity to play? Minor league baseball should feel as threatened as basketball mid-majors as colleges have the potential to consistently put a AA or even triple AAA product on the field.
Oh, have we even mentioned private equity ownership of college teams and conferences?
For those looking for rules, I don't believe any consistent rules can be applied until we resolve employer-employee status, accept collective barga
GW Men's Hoops » House vs. NCAA » 5/23/2024 8:24 pm |
Truly sad for us old timers, but exactly where we were headed. Next step is unionization and collective bargaining. Not sure how you’d make this binding on future athletes in the absence of a CBA. Of course, a CBA may be an opportunity to restore some eligibility rules and transfer restrictions.
TV, gambling, and cannabis revenue will keep this going for a while—but I’m pretty much done as even just a semi-serious fan. I’ve got better things to do and that are expected of me.
GW Men's Hoops » 2024 Transfer Portal Szn » 4/29/2024 6:23 am |
All great ideas and the types of things the NCAA should have been thinking about 15 years ago, before the courts intervened—not unjustifiably.
When many others are making millions, coaches have freedom of movement and billions are on the table—it’s too late for football and basketball, perhaps even WBB.
It’s not just college sports but all of higher ed—and the trillions in government subsidies that hooks kids on loans, where admin staff has grown more than NIL, and learning how to think critically with respect has been subordinated to Bolshevist group think and control.
When I look at the current campus protests, these are in no small measure the same people who protested the “Colonial” moniker and who you acquiesced to rather than defend western civilization ideals of searching for the truth and free exchange of ideas. Oh, and many are blatantly anti-Semitic, but we’ve already seen how academia distinguishes between different types of hate speech and takes swift action against some and looks the other way at others.
You reap what you sow on all of these matters. Today, GWMBB feels like a lost love that ain’t ever coming back. There are so many smart, caring people on this board trying to make things better and build better communities. Alas, I can’t help but think our energies should be spent on a new love.
GW Men's Hoops » GW beats St. Bonaventure Game !! » 3/06/2024 9:37 pm |
- 19 assists on 27 field goals.
- back to back steals and fast break scores on consecutive opposition possessions.
Not sure that anything close to that has happened all year. Never a question on energy all night—especially on the defensive end. Nice feeling to end the year attending games.
GW Men's Hoops » GW vs UMASS Game » 2/29/2024 10:52 am |
GWRising wrote:
3. I get people are frustrated over the streak. But if you can see the forest through the trees a bit we have some good young building blocks (assuming they stay) - Jun, Jacoi and Garrett. Undoubtedly CC needs to add some veterans to this group especially up-front. But it's a start and if the right moves are made this offseason
The transfer portal opens March 18 and runs 45 days into May. We should have most of our answers and reasons for hope or varying degrees of despair after the portal closes. I remain skeptical that GW can fully compete or meet some of our highest expectations in the new NIL world and college free-agency, but I will reserve judgment until that time.
GW Men's Hoops » GW vs UMASS Game » 2/28/2024 9:21 am |
More GWMBB record breaking history.
This is now the third losing streak of five games or more in the Smith Center.
The others were the 1-27 season and 1980-81. Among these streaks, this is the only one where every loss was by 8 points or greater.
And to beat a dead horse, even with those losing seasons, I felt a connection with the team and the players' connection with the university. We were in this together in mind and spirit.
With NIL and the transfer portal, I'm not feeling that sentiment any longer. It's now a professional minor league where players come and go--but at least in the minors the players were assigned, and you felt an interest in truly following their careers and seeing an occasional star/top draft pick come through your city--and hoping they made your big-league club. While nice for a player, I feel little satisfaction in seeing one of our former players succeed at another school. I'm also happy for those of you who simply enjoy watching basketball without any emotional attachments to any particular team. I'm just not one of you and have so many other competing priorities in my life. I've made multi-year commitments to the university, but I'm close to done.
GW Men's Hoops » Other Games Thread » 2/20/2024 9:33 am |
Virginia loses by 34 to Virginia Tech. Either Tony Bennett can't coach or recruit, or this is college basketball in the NIL/transfer portal era.
GW Men's Hoops » GW vs Richmond Game » 2/17/2024 3:17 pm |
- Federal spending and debt have hit the tipping point
- the Communist Chinese have so infiltrated western infrastructure and its cyber capabilities --particularly water--that we have planted our own seeds for chaos and destruction.
- Congress cannot pass anything on a bipartisan basis except more spending, less revenue, and higher debt;
- The NATO alliance is under the most pressure ever from a vile dictator that is celebrity to clown "journalists/entertainers like Tucker Carlson;
- the Rule of Law is caving to the weaponization of creative but destabilizing lawyering;
- our citizenry is incapable of meaningfully distinguishing good from evil;
- most of America's young people are depressed and don't want to bring kids into the world; and
- the two clowns our population has chosen to lead us at this dangerous time are both old charlatans surrounded by sycophants who care more about power and ego than sacrificial service to others.
So, the longest losing streak in 35 years and 1-27 amidst the transfer portal and NIL tumult isn't really that bad! And the PA system at the Smith Center is now working.
Raise High!
GW Men's Hoops » GW vs George Mason Game » 2/14/2024 8:58 pm |
In all seriousness, how many of you really want to invest your emotional energy into a bunch of wannabe mercenaries who are here today, gone tomorrow, and have little or no long-term connection with the university.
If I wanted to root for pros, I could watch the NBA, where there seems to far more continuity in pro sports than there is in college today.
I don’t begrudge any of these kids for trying to recoup their fair share on a money pot that enriches many others on their labor, but geez—why should I care?
GW Men's Hoops » GW vs George Mason Game » 2/13/2024 7:28 pm |
Long Suffering Fan wrote:
I am pretty high up, but I do not see Schroeder on the bench.
He is not on the bench.
GW Men's Hoops » GW vs George Mason Game » 2/13/2024 7:11 pm |
On pace to lose 137-19. Billups is a shooter!
GW Men's Hoops » GW vs Rhode Island Game » 2/07/2024 8:20 am |
I believe that's our worst home loss since a much better Rhode Island team and Fatts Russell torched us for a 31-point win almost four years ago to the day. Very hard on the eyes and if JC were still coach, he'd be getting torched this morning.
Two things stood out for me on CC. First, was his reluctance to call a timeout early in the second half before the 16U break. From the very first possessions in the second half, we looked lost on both ends of the court as URI came out with more energy and pounded the ball immediately into the paint with no defensive response from us and the beginning signs of looking desperate on the offensive end. It looked and felt like we were going to hemorrhage a lot of points in those first few minutes and the team needed a wakeup call.
Second was the presser. I'll give Buchanan props for a good perspective on life, but this was the first presser where I felt CC came across as lost. He's not the type to throw his players or coaches under the bus, but he couldn't offer anything more than, "Gee whiz, we were making these shots against much weaker opponents earlier this year and now they are just not falling." He noted that URI's gameplan was to pound it inside and credited them with execution, but offered no explanation as to why we made it so easy for them to execute. Personally, I'd note that on multiple occasions we had defenders backing up in the paint before attempting to hold ground and we let URI get those two-three feet bunnies.
After a five-game losing streak and two bad home losses, I'd hope for a little more accountability--even if it's just lip service saying that we need to a better job as coaches to avoid performances like this one at home.
GW Men's Hoops » GW vs Dayton Game » 1/30/2024 7:35 pm |
Glass half-full? We do have assists on 50% of our made baskets.
GW Men's Hoops » GW vs La Salle Game » 1/29/2024 5:39 pm |
I'm still a working stiff and can't follow college basketball 24/7, but I'm in the give CC a break camp. He is in just his second year as CEO and notwithstanding all of his assistant coach experience, is still learning the job himself.
I don't think we've fully reckoned how the NIL and transfer portal era is going to create a lot of volatility in the game--as we've already witnessed with so many topsy-turvy games and unexpected losses even with upper echelon schools.
It was already hard enough to recruit and build programs under the old rules where newcomers were mostly freshman and sophomores (not immediate transfers) who took time to learn the college game and a coach's system. Now, you're not only mixing and matching multiple starters who've hardly played together and learning, but you're also trying to keep your talent happy enough (and compensated!) such that they don't want to walk out the door at the first opportunity. Comparison is the thief of joy and there's lot of opportunity for comparison these days. How many talented kids today are saying, "I'll just sit, learn, work hard, and wait for my chance in two years!" I'm sure there are many, but a lot fewer than just a few years ago.
Thus, a coach today has to be even more of an x and o's person, teacher, motivator, shrink, in-game tactician alumni relationship builder and more! At GW, you also have to be confident that you can get your kids a better slice of the NIL dollars surely dangling someplace else.
More than CC, I worry a lot more about the dynamics of NIL, the rich getting richer in terms of TV and booster money, tourney slots, and eventual efforts to really squeeze most of the mid-majors into a development league for the P6 with a few crumbs heading back our way.
I think it's going to take five-to-ten years to determine who are the best coaches in this environment. The ones who can balance most of these demands will rise to the top. Many looking good now may not