fungerhall wrote:

22ndandF wrote:

I wish Jameer great success. He seems like an excellent young man, and obviously he has great talent.  Wherever he plays and whatever he goes on to do after basketball, I feel confident he will make his family and friends proud.

Also, I feel it's important not to panic. Change happens and it's usually good, especially to those that embrace and accept it. I have full confidence in Jamion and his staff. They came into a very difficult situation and are doing what they think is necessary to create a winning foundation, which is the best way to do things, in my opinion.    

Tanya Vogel couldn’t have written a better response. You have full confidence based on what exactly?

HI fungerhall.  I reread my post and agree it sounds condescending. I didn't mean to come off that way, especially because I don't know Jamion other than reading articles about him and listening to his interviews.  Also, I will be the first to tell you that I am not nearly as knowledgable as many of the other people on this site.

What I should have said is that I believe in Jamion's character, personality and intellect.  I think we all agree that Jamion came into a situation that was deteriorating faster and faster with every passing month. I feel it takes time to completely take the momentum out of the downward spiral Jamion inherited.  So I am not at all surprised that the change continues even to this day.  But I do feel like things are starting to bottom out, and I feel Jamion is a great leader and will take GW to great places. 

Also, I feel Jamion has brought in some excellent new players and they will be the building blocks as we go forward.  I feel Bishop, Moyer and Battle are all for real.  And, while I am disappointed Maceo, Jameer and Ace have decided to leave, I'm excited because I believe in Jamion's ability to restructure the team into a winner. I'm also happy for the three players that have decided to leave because they will find new opportunity, presumably on teams where they will have opportunities to excel.
 

Last edited by 22ndandF (12/29/2020 5:10 pm)

Well hope that cheery outlook over at 22nd and F comes true, but there's another question.
Is it really smart to force out or freeze out, take your pick, a D1 coach's son and the son of a famous
NBA player in a relatively close big basketball city?
   Maybe JC's team of high major and low D1 castoffs will become diamonds if they somehow learn to play together. But programs usually need freshmen recruits, given the uncertainty and timing of the transfer market.
  And it's also better for program continuity, as we can see with no non-transfer seniors when they have a free extra year this season. We have no true seniors because they were rode off the team, one way or
another.
   Not that its hard with our record and previous turmoil, but isn't it going to be even easier with our current coach decision driven turmoil for A10 and other teams to recruit against us?

jf wrote:

Well hope that cheery outlook over at 22nd and F comes true, but there's another question.
Is it really smart to force out or freeze out, take your pick, a D1 coach's son and the son of a famous
NBA player in a relatively close big basketball city?
   Maybe JC's team of high major and low D1 castoffs will become diamonds if they somehow learn to play together. But programs usually need freshmen recruits, given the uncertainty and timing of the transfer market.
  And it's also better for program continuity, as we can see with no non-transfer seniors when they have a free extra year this season. We have no true seniors because they were rode off the team, one way or
another.
   Not that its hard with our record and previous turmoil, but isn't it going to be even easier with our current coach decision driven turmoil for A10 and other teams to recruit against us?

When you learn who is in the pipeline and who will be committing shortly both in 2021 and 2022, I wouldn't worry all that much about our recruiting. One thing about JC is that he never sleeps. Find the right guys who buy in and you will win. I liked both Jameer and Maceo but if they couldn't or wouldn't buy-in to their roles, then that's the way it goes. Wish them the best and move on. I'm more concerned about the guys who still are part of this team. 

We are in a new era where loyalty is thin and outside influences, social media and pro delusions run supreme. Let's see what happens in a few years. We may look back at this juncture differently than most do now.

Gwrising-we May very well
Look back on this differently.  The problem I have is I see no direction.  2021 and 2022 recruits to be excited about?  That sounds great.  But then I look and see just one of three freshmen from last year’s class doing anything that gets me excited (despite regression) and I see three freshmen from this year’s class that can’t get any real minutes on a 1-6 team.  If you tell me that the plan is for the freshmen to get minutes and they will be part of the future, great.  Let’s see what now through March holds.  But  we are all almost always excited about a recruit or two.  To date, JC has hit on 1.5 recruits to work into his program (I’ll
Give half credit for chase).  I’ll almost always give a coach three years.  This is no different.  But halfway through this year, I don’t see anything resembling a long term plan.  That makes the short term losing harder, particularly when two individuals leave.  Call it lack of loyalty if you want, but these kids are playing through a pandemic, for free.  Let’s not put them out for not being “team first,” while going through all this.

Are you suggesting that the players and coaches see a plan at this time?or have a new adjusted plan
after the recent transfers.My guess is that there is no plan other than kind of ad hoc right now.
It seems haphazard to me.Christian is doing a terrible job.Let’s be frank.So far he’s talked a good game since
coming to GW-but so far not much to show for it.I know it’s early in his tenure and things can change-but that’s a general statement that’s true of almost anything in the long term.Not much to hang your hat on.

The Dude wrote:

Thomas, that's because James Bishop is 10x the player that the two guys who are leaving are, and the only person who would deny that is a delusional propagandist, which of course are 50% of the "names" on this board LMAO.

Every game James Bishop shines and the rest of the team looks overmatched and yet half the posts suggest the complete opposite because they are all written from the same man, a purveyor of nonsense who is still "suffering" for the 30th year in a row.

We have Battle and we have Bishop, and we have to add a lot of talent around them, there really isn't a player other than those two that would be much of a loss,and that's just the state of the talent on the team.   

Bishop is an exceptional offensive player, but he is a below average defensive player. Needs a lot of work there.  Plus an offense with more ball movement so the defense doesn’t always know we are attacking from the same spot on every possession, would perhaps take his efficiency on offense even higher, but he is the most talented offensive player we’ve had in a few years.

I was a Psychiatrist for 42 years.During those years on occasion I would use terns like”trust the process”-
“one gets sicker before they get better””-“”it’s a leap of faith”.All true.Another equally important truth is
“faith is necessary ,but not sufficient.”

DJS you wrote it better than I could. Agree completely.

I am especially am concerned that this all happened AFTER the season began. Before or after would led credence to the idea that JC had a frank discussion with the now departed and they made their decisions.

The one thing I thought this team had relative to what it could control was stability and now that’s out the window.

I'm interested to see if Bishop's numbers improve, remain the same or decrease now that JNJ and Maceo Jack are gone and he really runs the show in terms of minutes, shots and how the offense runs. Bishop has only played against low to mid major teams at this point, what happens now when he plays against better teams and better coaching in conference play? 

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